I’ve have searched high and low and can’t make heads or tails of what colors I should use on this vehicle. I prefer to use Tamiya paints, so even if I have to mix something up, I’m OK with that.
RAL and RLM colors scare me. LAL
Any help would be appraciated.
Most models and colour profiles of this vehicle show it with the grey base coat show throwing in patches of the desert yellow, and given the contrast in the black and white pics i would say this is right. I am not sure what the Tamiya colours are for the desert schemes, but i would use XF-63 for the panzer grey with maybe XF-59 on top.
This question will cause of lot of people Greif…[:D]
I had to write that.
I think you’ve earned yourself a ‘time out,’ young man… [:(DD]
If you go with Desert Yellow XF-59, lighten it up a bit with some Buff, XF-57. 59 is too dark for any of the RAL Tropen colors used in Africa.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but period photographs show a very dusty and sun faded pattern under the heavy built up dust?
I don’t know if it was a tri-color pattern or panzer grey painted over with desert yellow.
Does anyone know for sure?
It was too early for the dark yellow tri color and too late for the pre War trI color schemes. Looking at photos, it looks to be gray with one of the sand colors sprayed on, and of course lots of desert dust.
The contrast between the darker and lighter colours looks to stark to me to be the 2 colour dersert scheme. Unfortunatly i couldn’t find any pics of the inside to show if that was painted grey or not.
Agreed…and look at the top Jerry can the right side view. Darker can, I would say is Panzer Gray, and matches the shade of the darker camo color in the pattern… The colors on the Bovington Tiger have far less contrast between them.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. So desert yellow over panzer grey then?
Too bad we can’t tell for sure.
Either way it makes for a unique paint scheme.
For what it’s worth, in German “ie” = “ee” and “ei” = “eye.”
So this vehicle is “gryf” not “greef” (German for Griffen).
The other vexing question is whether the interior is Panzergrau or not.
Given that it was the big boss’ ride might make a difference, even if the photo evidence suggest the outside was left to weather despite being the CG’s ride.
Would love to see a WIP on this; the only one I ever built was the ancient old Nitto version, long, long ago (and depicted a rotund Rommel more built like Goering).
I can’t imagine the interiour being re-painted no matters who’s vehicle it was. Rommel doesn’t strike me as the type to go in for BS.
This is the nearest i can find to a pic of the interiour.
But there is also this one, notice the back of the gun shield. Is that shoadow or a darker colour? IMHO, i think the latter.
Bish,
Your second photo won’t work for me… it says forbidden or something.
All very good stuff about this color scheme. I, too, prescribe to the idea that Rommel wouldn’t be too worried about the interior being sprayed to match the outside.
Lots of great info so far.
Hopefully it works this time.
Since Rommel is often pictured in the passenger seat it’s more likely that’s just some dust rubbed off by Rommel’s left hand.
It’s not so dark as to suggest anything but a very subtle color change and it’s already been argued that they didn’t use the later color scheme.
Looking at the rest of the shadows, I’d say that is shadow from the angled tube to his left.
About the same shade as the rest of the shadows
Don’t shoot the messenger, but here is the other side of the coin;
Remember, this is Ron Volstad’s work here, just saying…
This has been thoroughly debated on other forums over the years. As best as known, there is no definitive answer, no interior shots, no overall consensus.
FWIW, I’m actually in the Gelbbraun over Schwarzgrau crowd, (at least tentatively), due to the aforementioned high contrast issues and the Jerrycan shade similarity. What evidence did Mr Volstad have to break the other way? Surely he expended a considerable amount of time researching the subject before committing to this scheme, not merely done on a whim. Others have choosen this scheme as well…
Well, the left side photo that I posted above sure shows lighter contrast between the two colors. And therefore supports Mr Volstad’s take for box art.
Isn’t imagery interpretation fun?
If we really want to wade in, here is what Mr Bruce Culver, author of the Panzer Colors series has to say;
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/pz-iii-g-afrika-paint-colour-s-t317279-s30.html
Be sure to download his Word doc. listed below his statements, some nice war-time color shots to be found.
I have just discovered that Tamiya now has two newish colors for DAK vehicles:XF-92 DAK 41, RAL8000; and XF-93 DAK 42, RAL8020. Would either of those be appropriate? Like the XF-93?