Scribin' Fool...

Started work on my B-25 a few nights back; 'tis the Monogram B-25J glass-nose (current Revell boxing) which includes some, if not all, of the mold changes for the ProModeler kit.

This kit is an entry for two different Group Builds, and although I’ve posted over in the GB threads, I’ll post progress shots here as well because some may not browse the GB section too often…

So far I’ve only done a bit of general cleanup and some scribing. These shots don’t show all the lines too clearly, and it’s pretty ugly because of all the sanding dust, but you can see some of it fairly well…


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Also have a Monogram Me 262 underway (another GB project, sorta, and also a re-scribe deal) and have two Ponies for the Mustang Ranch GB. I’m gonna be a busy fella…

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how do you go about finding out who actually made the mold an a given kit? why are most Pro Modeller kits really hase kits in disguise? why would one company sell the mold to a cool kit to a competitor? later.

Well, you just kinda have to either do some investigating or you had to have been there all along to experience the ‘changes’. Anything which happened in the modeling scene from 1982 to today, I was there to experience.

In the case of Revell, Monogram and ProModeler, they are the same company.

Revell and Monogram merged in the early-mid 80’s but products continued to be marketed under the two seperate labels. The company was actually Revell-Monogram, but that name was not used in their marketing until… maybe the very late 80’s or early 90’s. I believe it was probably in the 90’s. Even then, kits continued to be issued under both labels separately.

ProModeler was originally a special line of kits for the Monogram brand name. The early ProMod kits have ‘Monogram’ printed underneath the ProMod label. Then, when Revell-Monogram came into use as a brand name, the ‘Monogram’ under the ProMod label was replaced by ‘Revell-Monogram’. Nowadays, I believe that all the ProMod kits have both the Monogram and ProModeler labels on the kits, but I’m not 100% sure on that.

Anyhoo, I happen to know that this B-25 was originally a Monogram kit simply because, at some point or other, I’ve had every single issue of this kit from the original Monogram B-25H & B-25J up to and including the ProModeler boxing and, of course, the current Revell boxing. Same holds true for just about every other Monogram aircraft kit; at one point or another I’ve owned pretty much all of them, certainly all of the 48th kits.

Matter of fact, and I don’t want to sound pompous or whatever, but I think it’d be pretty hard for anyone here to show me a 48th injection-molded plastic aircraft kit which I have not either owned or held in my hands.

So firsthand experience is the main reason I happen to know this stuff, and I’m sure that certain others here fall under this same category, like rjkplasticmod or Swanny. You just have to be exposed to it to know it. If you’re not exposed to it, how are you gonna know?

One word: $$$ [:p]

Licensing the rights to market a kit is a whole lot cheaper than making new molds. That’s not the only reason, I’m sure. But it’s undoubtedly one of the prime reasons. And it’s not just Hasegawa kits which have appeared under the ProMod label, there’s some Dragon kits in there too, as well as some which are original molds.

Wait a minute, I thought this thread was about my B-25?!?!?! LOL [:p][;)]

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Thats interesting…You have some good info Wolf. Nice job with the scribing.

the scribing looks good. cant wait to see the progress on all your builds steve.

joe

sorry wolf, nice scribing you got going on there!! thanks for the run down on mold swapping as well. later.

Can’t see much cause of all the dust [:)]. Lookin good & glad to see you building. It’s been a while hasn’t it ? And you’re right about knowledge of kits coming with longevity in the hobby. Like you, I have either owned or inspected just about every injection molded aircraft kit ever released in 1/48 & a fair share of the 1/72 kits as well. But I’m pretty much clueless on Vacuum forms & Resin kits or Armor kits cause I never had much interest in building them.

Regards, Rick

Not to get off the subject too much but I was wondering something about what you said.
BlackWolf and Rick, when you say you have built or handled practically every 1/48 scale kit made do you mean even the obscure brands such as Czech Model, PM Models, AML, Roden, MAC and the others in the Squadron Supplement Catalogs? [:0]
That is a LOT of kits.

Mike

Well, Mike, I didn’t say built.

But, if it’s a 48th scale aircraft model that is injection-molded, chances are I’ve owned it in the past, currently own it or have held it in my hand. Other scales too, but I’ve settled on 48th.

I really don’t know the degree to which many of you are truly involved in this hobby, but I get the feeling that there are alot of you who are what I consider to be casual modelers.

I, like Rick, haven’t owned or even bothered to look at too many vacuforms, but I have owned a good number of resin kits, and still have several of them. I also have owned quite a number of military vehicle kits, but their numbers have never equalled those of things with wings.

As I mentioned above, it comes down to experience and what you’re exposed to. So I guess maybe, to make this all believable, a little background info is in order.

I haven’t been in this hobby as long as Rick has; I only started ‘serious’ modeling in 1981-82 at the age of 10 or 11. But even at that young age, I was ‘serious’ about it. I ran with it, have never looked back and have made this hobby my own. I make it my business to know this stuff, so long as the subject matter is something that I find to be interesting. And when I say ‘this stuff’, that encompasses not just the models and modeling-related things, but also the history behind it all.

I’m very fortunate in that, at one time or another, there have been upwards of a dozen hobby shops in my area, most within half an hour’s driving distance. Right now there’s only three shops around here where a serious modeler can go and not laugh at the selection of kits. But that’s still more than many folks I’ve come into contact with over the net have. Some of you guys don’t have any shops at all.

Also, there’s several shops within an hour or two driving time that I’m able to visit on a semi-regular basis.

Another reason for the degree to which I’ve involved myself in this hobby is the model club which I belong to. My Dad and I joined the club after he took me to my first contest and I have been a member ever since. (except a few years during my teens when I discovered guitars and cheesecake)

My involvement in the club has exposed me to some great modeling and great modelers, including a few folks in this club itself and several others from other clubs who are nationally, if not internationally, reknowned.

The people I know from my experience in the club have, themselves, pretty large collections. Whenever we have a Saturday Night Mafia Groovy Get-together at Guido’s, we generally mozie on down to the dungeon to inspect the collection and see what’s new. The same is usually true for any gathering we have at someone’s place.

My membership in the club also led to my being able to attend upwards of 6-8 one-day shows a year, if I so choose. Hell, if I really wanted to and could afford to, I could hit twenty shows a year. In addition, there are usually two, maybe three regionals which I could travel to each year. The NATS… I’ve only attended three of them, but even once is enough to boggle the mind.

I’ve been involved in almost every aspect of this hobby imaginable, except kit production and actually owning what you could consider to be a hobby shop.

However, on a number of occasions I’ve been involved in a consortium whose sole purpose was to buy a model collection or collections and sell them. To this day I buy, sell and trade kits whenever I am able or when the mood strikes and generally have vendor tables at many of the shows I attend.

And that’s just the pure modeling side of things…

With all these opportunities open to me, it’s no real wonder that I can claim what I do.

Having a number of pretty good hobby shops nearby where you can hang out and drool over the new releases, being in a club where there’s always plenty of stuff around to look at, getting together on a weekly or semi-weekly basis with modeling buds, going to at least half a dozen shows each year over the course of twenty years… anyone who is able to do that will probably have quite a collection of kits and fixins, and will probably have handled many thousands of kits and other items.

I guess maybe I just take it for granted. But I also realize that not everyone has the same resources or contacts that I do. Because of that, I consider myself to be very fortunate…

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Thats alot of slow carefull work u got there Steve.
I am looking forward to this one’s completion.

I too visit a lot of hobby shops ,but there are none better than going to
to the ones nearby to meet your modeling friends.

Looking good mate. The panel lines are nice and clean, and very fine. Good work.
I liked the little bit of history too. Unfortunately I’m not as lucky as you, The closest half decent HS to me is an hours drive away.

see ya later…

Thanks for that background info BlackWolf.
Wow! You are light-years ahead of my knowledge of kits, which isn’t much. [;)]

Mike

hey, if you were 10 yrs old in 81’, we da same age friend!! course, i’ve only been modelling for a little over a year now!! you have a pretty cool story there BW. later.

Steve, I’m glad you posted this here as I never make it to the group build threads. I’m looking forward to seeing more as it gets done. I envy your involvement and experience as well. I’ve only been modeling for a couple of years and am pretty casual compared to you, but way overboard compared to the average guy on the street. I’m glad there are people like you with your experience and involvement for guys like me to go to when we have questions.

Lookin’ good Blackwolf… hey just curious, is your pop still in the hobby? I’m trying really hard to get my dad back in. I think the only thing keeping him out is my mom[V]… oh well maybe someday.

By the way, thanks for the comments on the scribing! LOL…

Ain’t much done yet, but it’s a start…

AJACKETSFAN,

Unfortunately, we lost Dad a little over two years ago. He was still in the hobby from the standpoint of collecting, and the buying/selling thing as well. But he was drifting away from building more and more.

His modeling interests were wide and varied, but he was an auto racing fan to the core and even though he was interested in almost any form of the sport, his true love seemed to be the racers from when he was younger; 50’s, 60’s and early to mid-70’s, especially Indy, F-1 and Can-Am. (Hence my interest in these same series, although I rarely mention it here)

Anyhoo, from the standpoint of a modeler, there’s not a whole lot out there in plastic kits for racers from this period. And the stuff that he really wanted to build was only available either as resin or metal kits, and mostly in 1/43.

He had managed to find some 1/24 kits of cars which he really wanted to build, but the two he grabbed were a metal and a resin kit. Ugly as hell, but he started into 'em and, bit by bit, made 'em shine. His progress on these kits was slow, with all the work which had to be done.

He was meticulous, moreso than I, and was frustrated at how bad some of the parts were. I remember him saying things like; I’d be better off scratchbuilding this damn thing… LOL

Anyhoo, he was working alot and had less and less time for modeling, so got into diecasts because they were starting to release alotta the stuff that he really liked. And I think that may have marked the end of his true building days.

He was also planning on restoring either a midget racer or some other kind of car after he retired… “one last project car” he’d always say. But he never made it to that point.

Oh well, sorry for the downer but it just pours out sometimes…

Anyhoo, I really miss having that special kinda modeling bud that only a Dad can be. Do all that you can to get your Dad back into the hobby, guy…

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The scribin’: Excellent. Wish my hands were that steady.

Kuroi Ohkami Monogatari (The Story of Black Wolf): Explains a lot! And deepens my respect for your vast knowledge even further.

Kinda makes me wonder what kind of modeler I am…

Gives me needed inspiration to tackle my Monogram B-26- nice work!

Scribing looks good. I’m working on the Monogram Marauder currently and I’m doing the same.

If you’re not already doing it, here’s a tip: brush a bit of liquid cement along your freshly scribed line, let dry and then sand it. This keeps the raised ridged on either side from collapsing back into the line and makes cleaning the sanding swarf out much easier.

Keep the pics coming.

Cheers,
Tony Bell

I’m sorry for your loss Steve… and sorry to strike that chord. Don’t worry though… I don’t plan on giving up until he gives in.