On the subject of kit price; obviously the UK importer is taking well more than his pound of flesh. Wouldn’t it be financially prudent to buy from Japan or HongKong? I just bought a number of kits via HLJ, and the average kit price was under $20 US; to include the postage. Just a curiosity…
If so - why saying, that the kits don’t have the late idler wheel? 
Even if the parts aren’t correct, the kits DO have the late style idler wheels! So I’m still right if I say, that you are wrong saying, that they DON’T have the late idler wheel (at all) in your message above.
No nit-picking here, but the kits do come with the correct idler wheels. Saying this, it does not mean, that the parts are correct. You got me wrong here.
Frank
there not the late type, in shape or style, DO YOU ONLY LIKE TO READ CAPTITOLS SINCE YOU ARE ALWAYS USING THEM
if you think your right all the time then the kit has the wrong idler for the early Panther
and black is black
blue is blue
white is white
red is red
are you going to tell me different
Early idler: one spoke design - small diameter
Late idler: double spoke - large diameter
Tamiya idler is double spoke, but has the wrong diameter. Therefore it’s still an (intended) late idler, but Tamiya has sucked again.
No offence taken, no black is black, but if you mention a book here and post the HLJ pictures here, you should have a look at them before claiming, that these are not late style tracks. Note: I never said, that Tamiya did them right (diameter etc.), but I do see 2 spokes/ double spoke and no early type idler wheel ever had them. So it’s clear, that Tamiya wanted to do late style idler wheels with 2 spokes / double spokes. You can call me an idiot - doesn’t matter to me, but I do have eyes and these eyesballs do see 2 spokes /double spokes on the HlJ pictures making these idlers late style idlers. The diameter obviously seems to be wrong compared to the drawings/measurement, but the wheel “shall be” late style. It’s stupid to argue about something you can clearly see on the pics, you’ve posted.Frank
As I said, you got me wrong. I speak about early and late style idlers. You do obviously mean the final idler design, which I never spoke about.
Ive never called you an idiot and i never will
lets see what started all this off
WOW
Okay - my mistake! You’ve seen me confused by the terms used. I was already wondering about the diameter issue, you mentioned as my photos / drawings do look correct. I think, that you mean the latest idler design while I do mean the late idler wheel. Now I understand the reason for our misunderstanding.
Frank
To avoid any new misunderstanding:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/989774/PantherFKK-015.jpg
This is the one, Tamiya should have (correct) in their kit, but optional idlers would be nice.
Frank
Captain Caveman: “DO YOU ONLY LIKE TO READ CAPTITOLS SINCE YOU ARE ALWAYS USING THEM”
I guess, you like CAPITOLS, too! Don’t shoot first…
If you say, that they don’t look late, I can say, that they don’t look early. This would not bring any real advantage. I never said, that the Tamiya parts are correct, but from the design chosen by Tamiya they are - intended - to be late idlers.
No need to argue, no need to be offending…etc. The idler wheels obviously aren’t correct (though I want to see them as the angle is bad), but they - shall be - late idlers. I’ve maybe mixed up the terms and the diameter of the 650mm idlers, but they aren’t early ones. Also, they maybe wrong speaking of measuremant. Yet, they nevertheless show the latet design of spokes…
I don’t want to waste space, but I really don’t understand why you say, that they don’t look like the later design? Nobody speak about accuracy. If I’m honest enough to say, that I’ve mixed up two terms and the diameters, I can’t understand why you are not able to look at the pictures and noticing the 2 spoke / double spoke layout making them - intended - later version idlers.
Frank
I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but that new Tamiya 1/48 Panther sure looks like it’ll be a nice kit!
Jon,
Hang in there…
Regards,
Steve
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QUOTE: Originally posted by knm_uredd
i didnt shoot first[:D] look at your own post, its the reason i put late and early in capitols
Have you tried Quarterkit in Paris?
Glenn
If I understand the above exchange, Tamiya’s forthcoming 1/48th Panther G will have the late idler(final) wheel design, though it is dimensionally inaccurate. If that is true,… correcting the error with a smaller (AM?) idler wheel will be a problem;(not unlike that existing with their T34) because of the pre-cast pitch in their rear track sections. I must commend you, Caveperson, I’ve studied the recent promo pics of this new Panther over and over, and yet , this important discrepancy eluded me. Good eye, my friend!
The Panzer IV kit has a choice of idlers. Who knows, maybe the Panther will too.
HobbySearch has posted pics of the sprues for the PzIV, perhaps they’ll do the same when sprues for the Panther become available. Looking at the photos that have been posted thus far, can anyone visually discern the idler error in question?
On topic: PantherG idler wheel - the problem is, that the idler wheels are looking wrong on the available images. The correct idlers should be the bigger 650 mm ones. Yet, it’s not really clear as the angle is bad, which could make you believe, that one Panther on the HLJ image has a bigger idler compared to the other one but I think this is a result of the camera angle. Also, we’ve to keep in mind, that these are maybe test shots and a more accurate item will be included in the kit. Time will tell! Either the idler is the correct one or the AM industry will make one.
Bill from WW2Prod. has already promised to look at the idler situation once he has the kit and if the idler is wrong, he will look what he can do to fix while doing a resin Panther track. And if not he, someone will for sure.
Frank
Re: idler troubles.
Track48 makes, and has for years, a late-war idler in resin to go with the Bandai Panther G and Jagdpanther set. I’ll ask Garfield to check the fit of his idler wheel on the Tamiya chassis when it is available. If it fits, or can be made to fit, then we will have a North American AM source for the idlers in addition to WW2 productions in Australia.
GLenn
For a picture go to track48 and click on Products and then on the Track48 icon. Scroll down to the Panther upgrade set and click on the picture to get a better look.
Track48 also has Schatton brass barrels for the Panther for those who are interested.
However, if you put a different-sized idler on the kit, the kit tracks might not fit.