First diorama idea, Normandy Hedgerow Ambush

Ok for my first diorama, i want to try a dusty strip of dirt road in normany, lined by fences, hedgerow, low rock walls and fields, hiding in which will be 6 or so US infantry, ready to ambush a hanomag halftrack or german armored car or such. I also plan to have a run down farm house or windmill somewhere in the seen, and a small bridge in the road over a water filled ditch. I kno, it sounds like a very high goal, but ivebeen experimenting alot lately with indivdual terrain pieces and want to start a real diorama. So any ideas on how to make some of those things, homemade please, my budget is low, please tell me. Oh, by the way, heres some picture of the US infantry, their not done yet, thats why their so rough, but its a start.

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First, those aren’t Marines, they’re army infantry. And there were no US Marines in Normandy. Second, they have nothing heavier than a .30 caliber weapon. Ambushing an armored vehicle unless the crew was completely out of the vehicle, would be suicidal with their weapons. They’d need at least a bazooka.

You might want to work on your basics before trying a very ambitious project like this. I see a lot of paint application issues in your figures. Take a little bit more time to get them well painted first.

Hi Ian

Those figures aren’t that bad, pretty good if they are among your first. ajlafleche is correct in that you, as well as all of us, can always sharpen our painting skills. Just keep doing it. Learn as much as you can through free source like the internet. There’s help out there all ovver the damn place. And no one will ever know everything about WWII, so might as well keep studying.

However it is never too soon to start building dioramas. Build as big and elaborate as you want. And if you screw up, no harm done. It was only your time and money spent. Continue to take pictures and post them here. There is always someone on these forums that knows more than you, that’s what it’s here for. Take advice graciously, learn and correct what you can, and then move on.

As far as cheap hedgerows and stone walls, here is an experiment piece
I did a little while ago:

Super-low cost. Let me know if you wanna know how I did it.

Stevem

First of all stevem i would absolutely love to know how you made those. The best idea for hedgerows ive found was on the warhammer wargame scenery page, which involved painting and/or flocking scouring pads, they do like nice, but yours are amazing.

Also to ajlafleche, i apologize for calling them marines instead of infantry, i was in a bit of a rush. The next problem, you said there were no infantry in normandy, i didnt research either, so i guess i will just base it somewhere else with the similar countryside farms and hedgerow lined roads, since i know we did fight in some of those places, ill look that up later. And to your last question, once again completely right. A BAR gunner, and a few riflemen with Garands, arent going to do a whole lot of hurt to any sort of armored vehicle. I planned to have atleast one man with a bazooka or stolen panzershreck, and i was thinking about also having demolitions charges or mines set on the bridge, but i was pretty sure no infantrymen carried such things, so i would need a demolitions crew…am i right? and would that even be accurate, ill look that up as well. if anyone has any other ideas for some things i could give the squad to help take out the german vehicle whatever it ends up being, or in the end, i may just make the vehicle something unarmored and open topped, then they would have a chance with just small arms. Thanks a ton for your criticisism it was exactly what i was hoping to get.

Plenty of infantyr, no Marines. They were almost entirely deployed inthe Pacific. Those figures are more or less okay for Normady.

Correct, but you could get by with a scratchbuilt detonator and some wiring to the bridge. There were demolitions crews assigned to the infantry. They were quite active on the beaches to breach barbed wire and other obstacles. In fact, the Dragon Ranger set #6235 or 6306 (generation 2 with pe gun slings, extra heads and more ) has one guy with a bangalore torpedo and what appear to be satchel charges.

all good to hear, the kit came with one of those old one use Garand rifle grenades that goes over the top, but i had no plans for the infantry like this so i cut it of, and now of course i cant find it. Four of them also have fragmentation grenades, atleast i beleive they are, so if i did do something like a kubelwagen, ( hope i spelled that alright) those were the light almost car like vehicles, right? or some other very light scout vehicle, that might be sufficient i was thinking. I have started the diorama, with the water ditch cut out, and put in some contour and slight trench type emplacements, and i am working on putting the “head” of a wrecked sherman stuck in the ground, all grown over, correct me if somehow that wouldnt be correct. Also, lastly stevem i would love to know the secret on your hedgerows, or anyone elses ideas. Thanks for the advice

By the way, could anybody find dpicture of what this demolition charge might look like so i could attempt a scratchbuild? im guessing its not just the red dynamite sticks taped together in a pack wired to a plunger…would it look more like a tan bag like a satchel, but wired to a plunger? And do you think it would be at all posible that my infantry might get their hands on one even without the demolition crew, such as scrounging over a battlefield or salvaging one from somewhere? i guess im just on a low budget and any cuts would be helpful, but if you really think this is the only way to go for realism, than i guess it would be a good investment anyways.

No grown over Sherman anything. The Normandy campaign only lasted from 6 Jume to late August 1944, certainly not enough time for a knocked out Sherman to get grown over. By September, the allies were threatening Holland and were in Belgium by December.

Ok, no overgrown sherman head, thanks for the advice, but it does look good there, so ill leave it, ill just make sure it doesnt look too old and wasted

it sounds like an ambitious project - maybe there are too many ideas going on. I have the same problem - all these great ideas for dios come into my head, and I want to them all in the same scene. Personally I think you’ll be more successful (and less frustrated!) if you try to limit it to one of the ideas you are already considering.

some ideas prompted by your concept and the discussion so far:

US infantry lurking in the sunken road, waiting to ambush a Hanomag crew… well if you don’t want to give them heavy weapons, you can either a) have them hiding from it instead of attacking it or b) have the crew dismounted - having a break, refuelling, repairing damage etc - and at a disadvantage to be taken by a lightly armed squad.

Bridge to be blown up… in most cases, the Allies wanted to capture bridges intact - it’s the Germans who want to blow them up. You could have the bridge already wired, and the US forces trying to prevent the Germans setting off the charges. I think would make a great dio, but would entail a lot of planning and a very dynamic scene. But it is an idea of how the bridge can be wired without worrying about engineers being around…

Overgrown tank… already discounted for the reason above, but you could consider other scenery evocative of France in the summer of 1944 - dead cows in fields, abandoned carts and dead horses, burned out military or civilian vehicles…

Just some ideas… [:)]

Wow tons of awesome ideas, but i think im going to more or less stick with what I have with a few changes pointed out by you. If i find the blowing up bridge idea is too ambitious or takes away from the other scene making you divert your attention, ill get rid of it and just gkve somebody a bazooka or stolen panzershreck. Also, your idea of adding Normandy scenery, is great, in every photo, movie or game theres the dead cows and horses with carts, and the farm equipment and everything. The only thing is, i dont really want to give the men more explosives, because that would mean another whole 4 man or so squad of demolitions experts, making a total of 10, which may be a little more than i planned, so maybe ill just have them ambushing a kubelwagen, or maybe even take your idea of having it broken down, being repaired, since i know tamiya makes a kubelwagen engine repair set. Thanks for the ideas, your giving me just what i was looking for

Hi Ian

First , I must say that those hedgerows weren’t my idea; just experimenting with a technique discussed in Osprey’s Terrain Modelling by Richard Winslow. I recommend this book highly. Find it on Amazon.com and ask for it for Christmas.

I started on a wooden plaque from Hobby Lobby= $1.99. Glued a piece of styrofoam 1" x 1.5" x 8" ($.01? just a scrap piece) across, with Crafter’s Pick water based Super Glue- $3.99. This glue is outstanding for dio building. An 8 oz bottle will take you a long way. I took the advice that nothing should be completely “squared” or symetrical on the base, just doesn’t look right, so the sttyro went on at an angle.

Covered entire base with Celluclay, 5-6 bucks for a pound. Added brown cheap acrylic paint to mixture. Cheaper versions of Celluclay available. It’s really just paper mache. Cheaper technique is sand / dirt mixed to thin pancake batter with white glue, water and brown paint. Add tiny rocks, tiny broken twigs, etc to give texture. Whatever mix used, spread over base and styrofoam and styro piece. Made gully in mix for pathway, sprinkled tan sand over top.

While the mixture was still wet, I inserted the very ends of a “twig broom” bought at Michael’s ($1.99) to look like hedge trunks- really crowded them in there. Allowed entire base to dry. Added rocks to sides of “wall” while still wet. Placed larger rocks in scene for a couple of boulders.

Next day, I glued fiberous material lengthwise across top of twigs to give hedges “body”. I used rubberized horsehair. You could use Woodland Scenics’ Polyfiber ($3.00), but I wanted to try this material disscussed in Winslow’s book. I could only find it in the U.K. from a pace called Antenocities. Not expensive, however I had to pay for trans-Atlantic shipping. Wasn’t too bad though. I bought as much as I could afford, almost twenty dollars. Should last me a few lifetimes.

Spray white glue/water mix over top and then started sprinkling tons of dried herbs. Parsley, oregano, dill weed, basil, whatever the Ruler of yout kitchen won’t miss. Laid down grass using static grass in clumos with tweezers to glue/water sprayed in base. I didn’t bother painting grass, but you should. Paint greens for thick, healthy patches. Tans and browns at path edges and in patches for dead or dying grass.

This is just how I did this one piece. There are hundreds of different techniques. The hardest part is patience. Take a walk through a park, notice the colors, textures, growth patterns that you see. Snap pictures. Google “hedgerow” on internet images. Visit “how to…”'s and “how I…”'s on individual modeller’s websites. References and instructions galore!

I feel out of breath, that was a long monologue. I advise picking up that book. Great place to start. Experiment and keep doing it. Plan big, build bigger- if that’s what you want. I think all advice about starting small is hindsight wisdom. You can only believe that once you have screwed up. It just means practice small. Once you’ve accomplished results you like for different elements (figures, painting, structures, terrain, etc.), bring all those components together for the larger scenes. My first dio was a 1 foot x 4 foot Omaha; dozens of figures plus water, ostacles, a raft, blood, the works! Never fully finished. Stands today as a reminder of my dillusions of grandeur. However, my next project will be a gi-normous scene in Oosterbeek, outside of Arnhem, with half a dozen Brit paratroopers and twice that of Germans running them out of town. Wish me luck.

SteveM

Wow, thanks for the detailed instructions, im defiantely going to try some of those hedgerows! today I bought some supplies, balsa, air drying clay, some paint i was out of, and a couple other things. I was tempted by the toy oxen, since it is going to be normandy, and it would have looked great dead in a field, maybe even guys hiding behind it. Anyways, im still working on the basics and foundations of my diorama. Ive come to a few more questions. As I said, I wanted to put an german armored vehicle, but as has been pointed out, a BAR and some riflemen arent up to that kindof a job, so ajafleche recommending adding some rangers and some satchel charges. However i found a tamiya set (ill post the link picture) of US mortar and machine gun troops, from which i would use the soldier with the bazooka, and the man behind him shoving the ammunition into the back. I think that would be great for the diorama im doing. I also might use the man crouched using the ?vickers 30 cal.? atleast thats what i thought it was, sorry i dont know my weapons. I could not tell at all if these would be realistic to put in my normandy diorama, although with some different painting than the box and slight modifications, would they work do you think? Also, i absolutely love the german Panzerkampfwagen II (early panzer) even though it was an extremely obsolete and flawed vehicle. So do you think it would be historically realistic to use one of these as my german armored vehicle being ambushed in normandy? I googled that, but came up with no evidence whether they were used there or not. Please, if anyone knows if either of those two ideas would be likely or even possible, please tell me

And the promised link to the tamiya US gun and mortar figures:

And the panzerkampfwagen II, i know the figures are Africa Korps, I wouldnt use them, and i would paint diferently:

you can pick up some nice verlinden sets for around $15 i picked up kit # 189 which is a normandy farm ruin and #328 normandy village ruin and they aren’t that expencive and as far as the figures go they should work if you put them above the half track on a rise that way they would have a good field of fire shooting down into the halftrack where they would have been exposed. and a few hand grenades would have ruined there little party in the halftrack finished off buy some flying lead. as a former ranger we had to take care of business with what we had not with what we needed so use what you have if you place them in the right places it will look fine

i would place 2 figure down by the bridge near the water as if they are traped there with the halftrack heading towards them and place the others above and just ahead of the germans with grenades ready

i am thinking that the bridge could have been set to blow by the germans and the halftrack is comeing bact to set it off. they were trying to hold off the allied advance and that did mean blowing any bridges that the allies would have used to advance heavy equipment good luck

fockwulf

Alright, thanks thats good to hear those figures could be used, And the ideas for building ruins was a good one, but i may go for sctratchbuilding, just to see how it turns out and if I dont like it ill just throw it out and use pre made ones. And yes i am going to put lots of thought into my figure placement, not just throwing them in where they look like heroes. So any ideas on the panzerkampfwagen II? I know it was only used early-ish in the war, as it was replaced by the panzer III, atleast thats what i thought from what I read about it. So any ideas if it would have been in normandy at the time?

By the way, Thanks for the idea about the halftrack coming back to set off the charges on the bridges, but the one i have in mind is just a small arched platform with sides over a water filled ditch, more for convenience than neccesity, not the kind of thing people would waste time demolishing.

Ian what kind of Halftrack are you planning on building for the Germans in this diorama? Is it going to be tamiyas Hanomag or one of Dragons 251/1.

Well, I originally planned to use a halftrack, any kind, i was just going to research whatever would actually have been there at the time, but now i really want to use a panzerkampfwagen II, shown above with an africa Korps paint scheme, but i cant figure out whether or not they were used in normandy as well. does anybody know?

Well when i play my Call of Duty 3 game there is a level were your on the point beach head and you are a ranger and theres a mission were you have to defend the point and there is a panzer II that comes up and attacks you.

Wow, lucky, Call of Duty 3 hasn’t even come out for the United States yet. Anyways, the first and second one tended to be realistic, so that information, along with some websites and advice from other forum members suggested that it is very posible that a panzer II could be used for this scene, as a salvaged scout vehicle. I have almost everything on the diorama ready for a coat of sand and gravel (texture) before a base coat of black. Right now im just working on detail. I have, fuel drums, a signpost, a stack of chopped wood, some tree stumps and fallen logs, the ruins of an old famrhouse, part of a knocked out sherman, barbed wire, sand bags, entrenchments, hedges, fences, and of course the bridge over the water dich. Ill post pictures of it so far as soon as I finish the farm house ruins.

That is a real good historical referance.[V]

The PzKpfw II was pretty much retired from front line units or destroyed by that late in the war. Don’t think you will find that any were at Normandy.

“The Pz Kpfw II was phased out of service with tank regiments late in 1943 but remained in service with various Panzer units on secodary fronts until the end of the war.” Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War II

Your best bet would be to do some real research and figure out what is historically plausible and what is not. Throwing out ideas with no clue to their accuracy and then going on the advice of others who have no clue is not the best method for making a historically accurate dio as you seem to be trying to do. Good luck.

Oo im sorry i meant Call of Duty 2 i sorta had my mind set on the third one my bad.