Hi all,
I’m trying to do a ‘what if’ scenario of a ta-183 in italian air force markings, and I have a couple of questions. I’ve seen decal sheets that show the wing roundels as three black bars inside a circle, while others show just two bars inside a circle. Which one is correct? Or are both correct, and different units used different roundel designs?
Any help is appreciated [:)]
I’d be sceptical about the two bars in the circle.
At the begining of WWII the Italians had a white circle with a black outline and the three bars in it, the white was later removed to reduce the marking’s visibility.
At some point during the war, not sure when or why, the marking was changed to a black square outline with two bars in it.
Show us your finished ta-183 when you get it done, I’d love to see it.
Sounds like an interesting what if. For a late model Italian, I’d go with the Square with 2 bars.
Regards, Rick
Thanks for the help guys.
Here are some pics of WW II Regia Aeronautica aircraft. It may help you with possible color schemes and markings.
http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/regiaindex.html
UPNOTRH…
WHAT ABOUT THE ITALIAN ME 163 AT YOUR PICTURES , I WAS ANORMAL MODELER , BUT AFTER THOSE PICTURES, NO MORE, IWANT TO DO ONE WITH A BOX OF ACADEMY
AND FOR PUNCH
QUE COLORES USARAS ??
I’m guessing you like my Komet[:D]
Yes it is the Academy kit, I used the stencil markings from the kit decals and the Italian markings came from an extra sheet I got in an Airfix 1/72 Fiat G.50 kit.
Glad you like it.
All, thanks again for the help, and pixilater, thanks for the links to some very cool reference pictures[:)]
I’ll post some pictures once I’m done with it.
gabo72, no he decidido todavía, pero seguramente voy a usar ‘arena’ de fondo con motas verde oliva.
The three bars are facies (spelling?) The facies was a symbol of unity and strength dating from ancient Rome. It is an axe with a bunch of sticks girding the handle, the notion being that the bunch of sticks is stronger tha any single stick. (It used to be depicted on US dimes).Anyway, this became the symbol of the Italian Fascist party, and the circle with three facies was adopted as the symbol for Italian warplanes, probably in the mid 'twenties. In 1943, Italy surrendered. Italian armed forces in the south joined the allies. Other forces, mostly in the north, remained loyal to Germany. These German Allies adopted the two-facies-in-a-square marking, and their aircraft usually also bore an Italian flag on the fuselage.
wow, kenC. Way to dig up a 6 year old thread…otherwise… Welcome to the forums!
Nice summary though. For anyone interested in that which I of course am, look at the Stormo website.
Welcome Ken. Reckon you like Regia subjects? What’s on your bench and what pics care you to share?
“Fasces”
Our House of Representatives:
This is interesting. Do you have a link to that site?
Does the fasces weapon and the use of it as a symbol have anything to do with the Mussolini’s and Hitler’s followers being called Fascists?
OK, nevermind about the second question, I found my answer at Wikipedia:
“The term fascismo is derived from the Italian word fascio, which means “bundle” or group, and from the Latin word fasces. The fasces, which consisted of a bundle of rods that were tied around an axe, was an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist
Here is a fasces. It sure looks like a clumsy weapon.
When you watch programs about ancient room, they are the items carried by the lictors or basivally protected the senitors and consuls of Rome. They were used by the italian fasicts because Musslolini was trying to re build the Roman Empire.
The fasces represented Roman justice. A Roman citizen could be sentenced to beheading - the axe, or beaten - the rods.
Thanks for the welcome. As you can tell, I’m new at this. I didn’t notice the string was as old as it is. Actually, I’d like to do a 1/72 model of Fransceco Baracca’s Nieuport 17 and I’m trying to find decals. I’m trying to make my own, with limited success. Thanks. Ken C
A little search found a set made by Alitaliane. The set number is AID 48-001 which looks like it had both 1/48 and 1/72, spads and nieuports. It is probably out of production- the references I found were all about 6-8 years old.
Good Luck!
Interesting site. Thanks for the link!