Woes of the novice - Trials & Tribulations with the Dom Fernando II e Gloria

No doubt there are some folks who, like me, as a young boy growing up, has fond memories of his time spent putting together those marvelous little model cars, planes, tanks, and ships. And, like me, now coming to the start of a new chapter in life (retirement), would like to relive those moments. And in searching the possibilities of doing so, you find this website with all the incredible photos and videos of models that far surpass anything you ever imagined. And you’re hooked!

Yeah, that’s me. Specifically, I love the old tall-ships, their bulging sails, the intricate rigging, how they weathered the high seas, the winds and storms, the genius it took to navigate the globe by following the stars. Remarkable!

Right off the bat, let me assure you my work is light years behind anything you good modelists submit here on FSM. Being encouraged by a good friend and fellow-modelist who frequently posts the results of his work on this forum, I offer my sad performance for your “constructive” critique and suggestions.

Revell’s 1:200 tallship model, the “Dom Fernando II e Gloria,” is my fourth model attempt in just under a year. Actually, as a beginner, the first three builds (i.e., the 1:196 USS Constitution, the 1:253 Gorch Fock, and the 1:110 H.M.S. Bounty), have turned out relatively well considering it’s been over 55 years since I’ve put together any kind of model at all. On average, each of those models took about three months to build. But this one, the “Dom Fernando II e Gloria,” is a different animal altogether. After over two weeks, I’m still working on the hull!

This first photo shows an example of my attempt to partially hand-paint the hull with with minimal amount of air-brushing because I was too lazy to spend the time it would require to properly tape it.

As you can see, the bottom-half looks fairly decent using the air-brush. The top-half, not so good. Yeah, all that’s the work of the novice “naively” believing he can hand paint as well as an airbrush! So, with the other side of the hull, I decided to take the time needed to tape it before painting. However, during the taping process, while trying to remove some tape that I had inadvertently put in the wrong place, I pulled both the primer base and main coat of paint off the hull! This after several hours of taping already.

To make a long story short, it took several hours (days), to tape every nuance, nick, and corner of the hull before I felt confident enough to apply the paint. The photo below shows the results of my efforts.

Much improved, eh? But, I’m recognizing that even though I spent an inordinate amount of time taping this side of the hull, there’s much room for improvement. As such, I welcome your advice and suggestions on how to better tape these models to bring out a smoother paint job, that is, to better eliminate the “scraggly” paint lines rather than the “clean” ones. I’m using Model Master’s Acrylic paints. However, the “copper” plating was airbrushed with Tamiya’s Acrylic Dark Copper paint. Which, by the way, brings up another oddity I’ve noticed: I’m seeing that Tamiya’s brand of acrylic paint doesn’t work well when painting over a coat of Model Master paint. Have any of you ever noticed that? Or is it just my imagination?

Anyway, the $64,000 question is this: what do I do with the other half of the hull that looks like crap? Do I try to “fix it?” If so, how?

Thanks much for anything you can send my way. If anything, my hopes here are for you new guys who are venturing to delve back into this fun world of modelling . . . reliving the good ol’ days . . . and recognizing that, like me, you gotta’ start somewhere before you can become a master modelist.

Thanks much!

Unless you are going to permanently display the finished model with the “bad” side hidden, I would suggest trying to match it up with the good side. After all, you are investing in a lot of time building it.

Lee

Oh, yes, Welcome to the forum!

Thanks subfixer! Yeah, I’m seriously leaning in the direction you’ve suggested. However, I will try to match that “bad” side as close as possible as it can be made to look much better. Maybe after I “fix” it, I’ll post the “after” results. Thanks again, and for the “Welcome!”

Abishag98

“Life doesn’t have a remote. Get up and change it yourself.”

Welcome to the forum! Glad to have you with us.

Two tips that might help limit the risk of pulling up paint while removing your masking.

First, use narrow strips (or narrow-width tape) rather than a whole-width piece of tape. Not only is it easier to work over curves and around raised detail, but, obviously, it gives you less surface to grab and pull up your base layer. Once you’ve masked your line, any additional masking (such as ordinary paper) can be fixed just to the first tape strip, rather than the paint.

Second, I’ve developed the habit over the years of briefly sticking any tape I’ll use for masking to the palm of my hand (or inner arm, for longer pieces), then pulling it off and either cutting or applying it. It takes that first aggressive “stick” from the tape’s adhesive, and adds the slightest trace of skin oil, to make the tape perfectly grippable for masking, but easier to remove without pulling up what’s underneath.

I agree with Subfixer, you’ll be happier by far if you try to fix the “bad” side. It’s a good bet that by the time you’re done, you’ll be the only one who knows there was a problem to begin with.

By all means, please keep posting. We all learn from each other here—that’s half the fun.

abishag98,

Your fond memories of plastic models as a teenager and love of square-rigged ships are mine as well.

I’m in my third year of retirement and, during the gloomy, soggy days of Oregon’s winters, I find working on these plastic model kits is very satisfying. However, satisfaction is obtained, for me, not from building a prize-winning model (if I ever do it’ll be when I’m around 100 [:D]) but, rather, my perservering in trying to do the best I can with the skills I now have and attempting to learn more with each kit I build. That is not to say I don’t get discouraged - I do. But then I still have other interests to go to for a break. (hiking and photography)At age 70 I figure that I’ll probably never reach the level of modeling that I see on display here at FSM, but, who cares? As long as I’m having fun.

One fact of which I’m certain - There are many modelers on this site willing to give encouragement and solid advice to a beginning or re-entering modeler.

Never give up the ship!

Mike

Thanks Greg! I agree with you that the best route is to try and fix the “bad” side. And, you’re right, I’ll really be the only one who will recognize it anyway. Nice meeting you! Looking forward to more posts.

Abishag98

“Life doesn’t have a remote. Get up and change it yourself.”

Wow Mike! You’re 70!!?? I’m going on 67 and wouldn’t even be able to think about climbing atop a mountain like the one you’re standing on. That’s quite an accomplishment, sir! You look to be in great shape! And great photos! I’m assuming these were taken in Oregon?

Thanks for you kind words of encouragement! I have a good friend who post on this forum, who highly suggested that I start posting my work on this forum. Admittedly, I was quite reluctant knowing that my work was anyway near the standards most of the guys on here do. But it’s like you and he both said, I’m quickly finding that there are many good folks on this site willing to spur you on and offer great tips and advice.

And that, my friend, makes it all worth the while! Thanks again, Mike!

Abishag98

“Life doesn’t have a remote. Get up and change it yourself.”

Abishag98,

The “mountain” I’m standing on top of is actually in the state of Washington. It’s a volcano. It’s Mount St. Helens. That’s Spirit Lake way down below. Climbing Mt. St. Helen’s was on my life list of things I must do. I did it this last July 31st. It took me 9 1/2 hours to climb to the top and back. My “kid” brother (he’s 15 months younger than I am) did the up and down in 6 1/2 hours!!! That’s being in shape! However, I’m just happy I made it to the top [:)]. The panorama of the “Jeff Park” area of the Mt. Jefferson Wilderness by Russell Lake is in Oregon. It’s one of my favorite trekking destinations albeit a moderately long hike (12 miles round trip).

I’ve been having problems attempting to place decals on my current project - I keep breaking them or screwing them up somehow. So I ordered some decal paper and scanned the original set (minus the one or two that I’d already used and botched up) but I’m finding that, no matter how I vary the color, contrast, saturation, etc., the “do it yourself” decals just don’t come out the same as the originals. They are too dark on the model (even when I’ve lightened up the decals in Photoshop) so I ordered another set from Dragon which I now have and am working up the courage to try again. And so it goes [:D].

Mike

abishag98, I know how you feel. I am working on a Bismarck and am a novice myself. I have stripped the hull twice already because I was unhappy with the results after hours of taping off, etc. I used easy off oven cleaner in the driveway and it worked great. Good luck.

Paul

Heyas and welcome to the Forum.

As you can see, plenty of good people to help you here.

Suggestions:

Be sure to carefully burnish the paint edge of your tape, especially where there is raised details. You can use a toothpick (my first pick) or some other object. Taking the extra time for this will pay off big time.

Also, I try not to airbrush “up” towards the tape. For example, if I am doing the bottom part of a hull, I spray at an angle that points down towards the bottom, not up towards the top and the tape, or preferably, perpendicular to the tape and the area that I am spraying. This helps to keep from “forcing” paint up under your tape where it may have pulled away a little or did not get completely seated giving you those “ragged” edges.

Remove the tape before the paint dries completely.

Hope this helps.

I also concur that you should go ahead and expend the effort on re-doing the “bad” side. You won’t regret it.

Welcome to the Forums! Glad to have you aboard!

I’ve been building for 67 of my 73 years. I build whatever strikes my fancy at the time. Sit back, have a sip or two of your favorite beverage, and enjoy. Each build gets a little better.

Jim

Something you might try with the decals is to paint them with decal film solution (NOT decal setting solution). You’re basically thickening the carrier to keep it from disintegrating. You need to be careful to not make them too thick, but you will end up being able to use the decals.

Lon,

I don’t want to hijack this welcoming thread for Abishag98 but I just want all to understand that it was I who complained about decals, not him.

Thanks for the suggestions. The decals don’t break up in the water, they break up while I’m trying to position them on some deck substructures - these are the “non-skid” surfaces on the deck of the destroyer. I will try cutting them before placing them in water so I’ll have less trouble positioning each half piece.

Mike

Thanks for the clarification, Lon!

Wendyl, a.k.a., Abishag98

Mike, I stole your photo and am using it as my computer background. Not the one with your smiling mug, the pretty one. Thanks.

Lee

I’ll tell you too, from experience…

It’s too early in the build to commit to “good side- bad side”. Your masking problems look pretty fixable.

You are also experiencing the typical (hopefully) syndrome of getting better as you go. Just keep going- there’ll be better models in your future. This one looks pretty good too.

On another note, you all are giving this 57 year old pause for thought- gotta stay in shape!

Lee,

You’re more than welcome to use the “pretty one” [:D] as your wallpaper. I do copyright some of my images to send to my stock agency so I would appreciate that it is strictly for personal use [:)].

Mike

Thanks for the great tips, Mike! I’ll give them a try next time I tape.

Whoa! You used Easy Off Oven cleaner to remove the paint off a plastic hull?!?! I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t have at least damaged the plastic. How exactly did you do this? Did you spray it on, let it set awhile, then wipe it off or spray it off with water? I’m really intrigued by this.

Thanks!

Wendyl, a.k.a., Abishag98

Thanks for the kind welcome, Jim!