What would be the proper Model Master color for a Tiger I?
Here’s a link for german WWII vehicle colors with color codes for Xtracolor, Humbrol, revell, Testors, Tamiya, Gunze Sangyo.
http://www.miniatures.de/html/int/colour-ral-farben.html
Glenn
Thanks, but that doesn’t help. I don’t know what color it should be in the first place.
Ryan,
I will try to answer your question. Initial Tiger 1’s that were deployed to the Leningrad front were the standard Wermacht gray. Early Tigers were base coated in Dark Yellow and received a variety of camo patterns with oversprayed Dark Red and Olive green, depending on which unit and front which they were operating in.Some received no camo at all and remained dark yellow. Mid-late Tigers pretty much stayed with the three color camo in many variations. Eastern front Tigers were sometimes coated in whitewash over the camo colors in winter. Some Tigers deployed to Tunisia were dark yellow or in a few cases an olive green overall.
Google search the web for Tiger tanks and you will find many reference pictures of various Tigers on various fronts. I would suggest you pick one to model, and begin from there buying the paints that will depict that vehicle. There is also research information out there that will give you specific color information matching production months and unit service.
Here are a couple of examples, a late Tiger, a mid production, a very early one that should give you some idea.
Good luck,
Steve
Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 = Modelmaster nr: 2095
Olivgrun RAL 6003 = Modelmaster nr: 2097
Rotbraun RAL 8017 = Modelmaster nr: 2096
Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 = Modelmaster nr: 2094
What is a good ModelMaster match for Wermacht gray?
When you say Wehrmacht grey, do you mean panzer grey ??
In that case it would be Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 = Modelmaster nr: 2094
RAL 7021 is the color the first Tigers had. Dunkelgrau means “dark grey”
Dunkelgelb means “dark yellow”
Olivgrun means “Olive green”
and Rotbraun means “red brown”
Thanks a bunch!
I now would like ModelMaster matches for these Tamiya colors.
TS-1/XF-64
TS-2/XF-61
TS-3/XF-60
TS-42
Soory can’t help you with those. For my Tiger models I use Modelmaster and Extra color enamels exclusively.
XF-64 is Tamiya’s Acrylic Red-Brown or ModelMaster’s #2096 (Rotbraun-RAL 8017)
XF-61 is Tamiya’s Acrylic Dark-Green or ModelMaster’s #2097 (Olivgrun-RAL 6003)
XF-60 is Tamiya’s Acrylic Dark-Yellow or ModelMaster’s #2095 (Dunkelgelb-RAL 7028)
HTH
Glenn
Those red-browns and olive-greens used to camouflage German armor were normally supplied to crews as pastes in tins and were applied by the crews as local commanders decided and the situation warranted. They were ideally thinned with gasoline and sprayed on, but the ideal didn’t always (dare I say often) happen, so the paint might be thinned with other things such as diesel fuel, kerosene, or even water and might be applied with a spray gun, a brush, rags, or even a mop. For this reason (not to mention sun-fading, layers of dust and so forth), you have a whole lot of leeway with the colors. Get in the ball park and you’re doing fine. Chuck [:-^]
That depends on the time periode. Here we are talking about Tiger I, so yes you are most certainly right, but when it comes to King Tiger’s or Tiger II its a bit different, from November 1944 the camo was applied at the factory, it was a hardedge patern and often with very little difference in the patern between tanks, and ofcourse on many tanks in this periode the red oxide primer was used as a substitude for the normal red-brown camo color.
All true enough, in fact many vehicles were done in an ambush scheme that was factory applied though I’m willing to bet the painting method varied from factory to factory (after all, it is much faster to spray a pattern onto a large area than it is to paint it by hand). There were also shortages of paint stocks caused by the disintegration of the transportation and distribution systems in the last few months of the war as well as a lot of dipping into local paint stocks, particularly in places like Czechoslovakia. If you check out some of the colors Jagdtigers or Hetzers were painted, you will see a great deal of variation in schemes and in colors. A lot out there to consider. Chuck [%-)]
I don’t know about Jagdtigers and such, only Kint tigers and Tiger I, they have been my hobby for 7 years and I have collected 23 books about them.
Variation from factory to factory ??? there was only one factory who built King tigers and that was the Henschel factory, they got subassemblies from other factories like Krupp ( gun and turret ) but it was all assembled and painted at Henschel, and the Kingtigers produced in late october, november and December of 1944 had very little variation in their paint sheme, after that it was more or less dictated by the availability of paint.
TMH1, Whoa, relax a bit. I was talking about German camo colors in general (a bit off topic perhaps, but that was my slant) and not Tiger I’s specifically. I don’t doubt your knowledge about Tiger I’s or anything German in general. However, I don’t think we need to get into color chips and chemical analysis of paint that’s fifty years old either. This is a hobby and subject to interpretation in the execution of models we build, not a doctoral dissertation. If you want to go the precise color chip route, that’s your choice. It doesn’t happen to be mine. So let’s agree to disagree and call it a truce. Pax? Chuck
Since Tamiya paint is not matched to any standard, there are no exact equivalencies fdrom any other company. Your best bet is to go wit hone of the companies that lists an RLM number on the label. (ANA for US WWII or FS for modern US, etc.)