Hey guys,
Does anyone have any photographic evidence that the SU-85 or SU-100 used the 12-hole 'Full Spider" roadwheels during WW2?
I’m getting ready to do either an SU-85 or SU-100 in 1/16 scale, and unless I can find proof of them using these roadwheels, I screwed up and got the wrong T-34 kit from Trumpeter…
Otherwise, I might be forced to do a post-war vehicle…all I need is a photo…and that’ll be good enough for me…
Thanks,
Jeff
Sorry Jeff, this is of no help to you, but who does the SU in 1/16? I was only aware of the T-34/76 & T-34/85 by Trumpeter for Russian 1/16 scale.
Thanks in advance.
No one…I’m scratchbuilding the casemate and interior…
Jeff
hiya Jeff, theres a picture of a Polish SU-85 with some wheels i think are the ones your asking about
the tanks got an interesting barrel, its painted like a Knights lance from the middle ages
thats the only picture ive found of a SU- 85 or SU-100 with out all solid wheels
the books Concords 7020 "Armour battles on the easton front (2)
Thanks Capt., I’ve been googling all over looking for anything…there’s one image (a rather famous one)
It’s almost looks like these could be either full or half spider, but it’s impossible to tell, it could just be a reflection too…
I found a photo (and now I’ve lost the URL) that showed what was most likely a post-war SU-85 with these exact wheels…I might just go ahead and say ‘fuggitaboutit’. I’m still deciding on whether to do the 100 or the 85, as it appears I can use many of the -34/85 turret parts on the SU-100, but not quite as many on the 85…who knows at this point…
Jeff
the thing is, if you can get some if the other type you could mix them, they lost wheels all the time and where replaced with whatever was around
i should have just bought the cheaper T-34/76…what was I thinking?? I might save this /85 and just bite the bullet, and get another one…
Jeff
Sounds like a awesome idea. I wish I had some references for this so I could reproduce the paint scheme. I will try to get ahold of this book. This is definitely for the “to do” list.
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Hey guys what tank is this ??? an 85 or a 100? I have to get me one…Theu look great
Dave
Why do you want the ‘full spyder’ wheels anyways?
they are the wheels that are in his doner kit
they are the wheels that are in his doner kit
Exactly, I went out and got the T-34/85 instead of the /76. It’s a double-edged sword, since many of the components of the T-34/85 were used on the SU-100, like the dome vents, driver’s hatch, and commander’s cupola. Those items (except the driver’s hatch) are not on the T-34/76.
If I have to, I’ll borrow a dished roadwheel and cast my own…
Jeff
Its a SU-85 from the 13th Self Propelled Artillery Regt, Polish LWP.
Chris “toadman” Hughes
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com
Hi Jeff,
I’ve been looking a copy of the photo you’re wondering about. It’s a bit better quality. It looked like there was a pattern and I was thinking it had Starfish wheels on it, but then it dawned on me…all of the patterns are identical. Unless someone arranged the wheels for a photo op, then I think the patterns are just from the shadows of the hubs. Here’s the pic I have and a close up…
By any chance, is this the SU-100 you saw with the full-spider wheels?..
It’s from a Korean site, and the text wouldn’t translate, so I don’t know much about the tank. I suspect it’s post-war, but you can probably tell for sure. Here’s the page with lots of other pics…
http://www.maus120.com/su100.htm
As for war pics, just about all I’ve seen of the SU-85 and SU-100 have the dished wheels. However, I did find one SU-100 with what looks to me as a full-spider wheel…
Here’s a close up…
Hey, if it could have one, it could have ten, right? Oh that reminds me, when I enlarged the very first pic, I noticed the SU is missing the front set of wheels. It only has four sets. Maybe it was a photo-op after all.
Here’s a pic of a Polish SU-100. It’s at the Muzeum Broni Pancernej Wyzszej Szkoly Oficerskiej im. S.Czarneckiego (S. Czarnecki Military College Armour Museum) in Poznan, Poland…
It looks to have a complete set of spidies. The same picture is in the Osprey book “T-34-85 Medium Tanks 1944-94” on page 35. The caption reads, in part, “This SU-100 at the Polish tank officer school in Poznan is from the wartime production batches…”
I found something very interesting about that particular tank. There’s a newsclip…in Polish I think, showing the tank while it’s running and moving around a bit. Nice stuff…
Here’s the link to the video clip…
http://tvp.pl/783,20040820114390.strona
What do you think? Would that be enough to do a wartime SU-100 with full-spider wheels?
If not, how about a nice recovery vehicle instead?..
So how about the interior? Going to do it too? I’ve looked around in the past for reference shots on the web, and interior shots for the SU-85 and SU-100 are rather rare. Here are some I’ve found though…
It’s from this page…
http://webplaza.pt.lu/flener/Poteau_SU-100_Page08.html
The site has some interesting pictures of an SU-100 being taken to the museum. They start here…
http://webplaza.pt.lu/flener/Poteau_SU-100_Page01.html
…go down to the bottom and click on the “half-track” button to follow the tour.
Here’s a great page with a walk-around of the interior…
http://www.kmk-scaleworld.be/WalkAround/SU100i/index.html
They also have a walk-around of an SU-100 with, you got it, full spidie wheels…
http://www.kmk-scaleworld.be/WalkAround/SU100e/index.html
While you’re there, you may as well check out their w-a of a T-34-85…
http://www.kmk-scaleworld.be/WalkAround/CDTZCH/34/index.html
Here’s a good one…
…from this page…
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mrigby/armour5.html
Which is very similar to this interior shot of the SU-100 at Littlefields…
There are 16 great shots of the Littlefield SU-100, starting here…
http://russiannavy.net/photos/littlefield/Sept_2004/Su-100/index.html
Here’s one that’s easy to miss since it’s labeled as the inside of a SdKfz 222…
…on the bottom of this page…
http://www.mishalov.net/military-vehicles/military-vehicles2.html
How about some drawings?..
Whew! Just a few more general SU pages I found. You probably know about all the ones on TheTankMaster site. Here’s the page, the links for the SU’s are down near the bottom…
http://www.thetankmaster.com/tanks.asp
Here’s one with lots of great pics, but it takes forever and a day to load…
http://www.hobby-plus.narod.ru/Nsovtank/su-100/index.htm
This one is good too, but it’s another slow-loader…
http://serkoff.narod.ru/photoalbum21.html
There are six pages of SU-100 pics on Jagdtiger.de…
…starting here…
http://www.jagdtiger.de/SovietTanks/SU-100-01.htm
Sure you don’t want to do a recovery vehicle? Tanxheaven has a ton of pics of them here…
http://tanxheaven.com/vt34/vt34.htm
…and here…
http://tanxheaven.com/ludob/vt34/vt34lb.htm
Hey, I can’t wait to see how your SU goes. Post lots of pictures if you decide to do it.
Take care.
Karl
Geez Karl…what can I say? You’ve just done all my research for me![:D] Thank you thank you thank you!
Thanks for all these links…I’m sure there will be enough there to do what I need to.
I’m still considering the '85, although the 100 is probably more likely to fit the criteria.
The problem I see with the 100 is the mantlet. At least the 85 uses the same circular ring and bolt as the T-34 mantlet. The 85 mantlet appears to be more circular in nature while the 100 is more conical. Either way, that’s the one area I’ve been giving the most thought to, since it will be the toughest part to create accurately.
Wish it was Sturmtiger…I used a partially cutaway ping-pong ball for that one, and it worked perfectly.
Jeff
Hey…glad to help.
Work and family life got kinda busy, so I haven’t been able to do much building lately, but at one time I did hope to convert one of the kits into an SU. I was thinking of doing an SU-85 simply because of the size. I figure a 1/16 SU-100 would be about 24" long. A SU-85 would be around 20"…about the same as a stock T-34-85.
I think a recovery vehicle would be fun. My ultimate would be a T-34 having the engine and tranny replaced using a recovery vehicle with a crane.
If you decide to go with the dished wheels and can’t find one locally for a mould, just let me know. I have some I won’t be needing for some time so you can borrow one for a bit.
Take care.
Oh, I found another video clip of a SU-100. This one’s in Russian. It’s another TV station…
http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main?p_news_title_id=76853&p_news_razdel_id=1
That should take you to a page with a picture of a SU-100 near the top. At the bottom of the article are some links. The first one goes to a video clip. The second is for some still shots and, I guess, the third is for a printer-friendly version.
The online Russian translator didn’t do so well with these pages, but here is the, ahem, headlines and beginning of the story…
In the littoral of otrestavrirovali the self-propelled unit, which the fascists baptized by “tank destroyer”
One of the good in the littoral of the experts of historical armament Sergey zyryanov is said that this restoration sufficed for it by the matter it abused. Famous “tank destroyer” - self-propelled unit SU-100 gotovyat to the parade.
Sounds like a restored SU-100 getting ready for a parade. I like this clip because it shows the SU-100 flying through the air. Watch it and you’ll see what I mean.
Update:
The lower hull and suspension has been completed. I’ll start working on the engine compartment next, while I continue to gather information on the fighting compartment. I might not open this one up completely if I can’t find the detail photos. I might just toss a figure into the open hatch and leave it at that with the exception of the driver’s area.
Jeff