Snaps 1/32 Revell Heinkel HE-111 P-1 Build

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Hi chaps

Introduction

This build will be just a straight out of the box build with no extras. I will be moving between this and my JU 88 build.

I have been playing with the large parts doing a dry fit with tape of the parts before getting the brush and paints out. I have found a potential problem putting the fuselage parts together along with the main wings and belly. There is a slight warp on the lower of the fuselage parts, but I think that when all the internal components are inside with a bit of tape to hold things in the right place then all will be fine. My dry fit showed that other than that the main large parts go together well and I don’t think that any filler will be needed at all.

I will be painting the cockpit in RLM 02 with RLM66 control panels rather than the all over RLM 66 that the instructions state. I believe that this is the correct colours as my research shows that the all over RLM 66 cockpit was from late 1941 onwards. As this model is Battle of Britain perios the RLM02 is the correct colour. The ewxterior will be the standard bomber colours of RLM 70/71 upper surface splinter pattern with RLM 65v.1 lower surfaces.

Also I will be getting hold of AM swasticas as due to a silly EU ruling thay are not allowed and also Eduards Mask set when they are released in August. Those are the ONLY AM parts I will be adding to this model.

So… since I have finished the dry fit, out with the RLM02 and a paint brush. No pics this post, just an introduction to my build. Update coming soon, and of course comments etc welcome.

James

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Bloody hell snap, don’t hang about will you, you just get straight in there.

Snap, its not so much an EU thing more a German thing. There was a time when we didn’t get any kits with Swastikas in, i reckon as they were not sure when they would go on sale. But now most kits, except Revell, come with them.

didn’t you get any for the 88 kit.

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No swasticas in the JU88 kit at all. Dragon didn’t have them in their 110 C7 kit.

I just think that it is a bit silly that’s all, but I do know that the German laws are very strict on that kind of thing as I have many friends there and visit on a regular basis. Any goose stepping or raised arms etc gets you in the cells, roughed up and in court the following morning. It is either an immediate prison sentence or deportation and a nice red sticker in your passport telling everyone that you’re not allowed back!

Most companies get round this law or EU ruling by splitting the offending marking in two. doing it that way does not infringe any rulings or laws.

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Ye, personally i think the Germans have gone to far with this. Even had that rebuilt Me 109 a few months back with none on. Yet the ones in Museums have them.

I have seen those split ones in a few kits, but Hasegawa kits seem to have the full ones again.

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ops… the wip [whstl]

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Oh yes… the build!

Here we are with te first pics of my build… the cockpit or front office.

I did have some problems here. First of all th rear bulkhead and the floor are just dry fitted for photographic purposes, but they are ready to be glued together when the time comes.

Parts 179 and 180 do not go together very well. This IMHO is because the plastic that Revell use is very soft and that encourages parts to warp easily when coming out of the mould.

Both Trumpeter and dragon use a harder plastic which IMHO produces much better results for modelling as the detail is sharper and the plastic easier to work with and resists warping and twisting much better than Revell.

The problems with parts 179 & 180 were easily fixed with glue and tape until dry and then a paint patch. There are still parts to go on the cockpit floor section (179) but this shows sections 1 - 9 more or less complete less the bomb aimers cusions and a couple of small decals…

The rear bulkhead consists of three pieces (45, 47, 48) and is section 12 in the manual. I had no problems putting this together apart from deciding where exactly to put part 48 on part 45. The instructions are not clear here so some dry fitting and muttering was applied before final glueing.

there is just a little extra detail painting to do on these parts before fitting.

Overall I have had no real problems that has caused pieces to go flying across the room, but just the odd problem with the instructions. There is a wrong part number in the instructions but I have forgotten which one it is now. Maybe iti s 194 in section 2. Whichever it is, just check before removing.

Also finding the parts is not easy as they are scattered around the sprues. Revell needs to think about that - as well as an instruction overhall!

Photo below, picture of where I am at the moment. After a paint job or RLM 02 etc the cockpit comes together quite quickly and looks more complex than the build is after part hunting. Now for some side panels!!

James

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Nice start, like the look of it. As for the problems with the warped parts, if this was a Dragon kit, you would have paid twice as much, look at there 110 kits. ut at least it was easy to fix.

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the office of this beast probably are longer than my ka-18 helo in 1/72 [H]

nice clean start

i found this strange beauty video about the 111, probably are in computer graphics, don’t think actuallly exist so much he-111 alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIFRSYKUVYg

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Well Snap, thanks a lot for making me jealous as can be. Keep posting the pics and I’ll keep up the envy.[:)]

You do bring up an interesting point about the softness of the Revellogram plastic as compared to other makers, at least as far as I can tell, I wonder why?

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" Also I will be getting hold of AM swasticas as due to a silly EU ruling thay are not allowed"

The Law is German, not EU, (though the EU do have some doozies…) & states that the depiction of the Hakenkreutz is illegal, & as Revel is a German company, it won’t be in the box at all, & can’t be in the box of any product sold into Germany.

I have seen some German model showe pics & they aren’t depicted on any of the displayed models photographed, that is a pragmatic attitude

I have a Revell Me109 & that doesn’t have any, & also a Hasegawa Me110 & the “tail adornment” is depicted as ‘reversed L’s’ if I remember correctly.

Good luck, & post lots of pics…

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I live in italy and get lots of luftwaffe planes during these years from various manufactures (not only revell) ; never see a swastica in no one of these [:S] the only two planes i put on was maded by cutting unused decals

Even recently brought a 1/72 stuka from italeri and never here swasticas

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No pics in this update, but I will post some tomorrow. I just wanted to let you all know where I was in the build.

The cockpit is finished and ready for installation. Unless I missed something then I have found no MG magazine storage in the cockpit area, unless it goes in later.

I am currently working on the radio op/ navigators section behind the bomb bay in the fuselage. I think that there are some parts missing from the instructions here.

Section 13 - window transparancies are all there, but take note of the numbers and use them as there are left and right ones here. No problems with the fit, but take care with glue.

Section 14 - more transparancies - same as section 13!

Section 15 - Bulkhead fitting. No worries here at all. Match the notches up and glue!

Section 16 - I am building this up in 2 parts. These are the MG gun magazine stowage and it has you fitting the MG magazines to the stowage parts. I will actually fit the stowage racks first to the interior and then the MG magazines.

Section 17 - This is where I encounter a head scraching problem. The instructions tell you to mount the floor of the compartment between the middle and aft bulkhead. No problem there at all great fit really. It also has you fitting one - or possibly two MG racks to the floor - I am not sure how many. The problem is that the holes on part 300 (floor panel) don’t fit the MG Magazine rack nor is there any holes on the other side for a MG rack to fit.

Now then, for those who have this kit, there are holes in the left hand fuselage side (part 123) next to the aft window and forward of the next window to that that match the pins for the MG magazine racks perfectly. Also on part 297 (Section 18) the holes for the MG rack indicated on the instructions are too close together for an MG rack placement, also trying to place the rack where indicated will foul up and prevent the mounting board for the radios being correctly fixed in place.

I have consulted the instruction book in my inner sanctum of peace, and just before my legs became numb from sitting on the Great White Porcelain Throne and having to call for help I came to a decision.

Two racks would go on the walls next to the windows as the pins fitted perfectly and there is nothing in the instructions about putting anything in those areas at all. They could be for a future different version though!

Any MG racks that needed to go on the floor could use one of the locating pins and holes with the other pin being removed to make secure fit. The last rack would go on the bench but using a hole that would not impait the radio board. That meant removng a pin from the racks. MG magazines will be painted and fitted before the fuselage is closed up. THe fuselage wall forward MG rack is right next to the radio board and looking at it the MG magazines may not fit properly so I may just leave that empty.

I am not quite so sure where some of this stuff is going! There seems to be holes in the wrong place, no holes at all or just misleading instructions. The parts fit together very very well though and although a little confused I am happy with my build to date.

I will admit though to taking a day or two to go up to the Yorkshire Dales on my Motorbike with an overnight bag to get away from the mass of plastic on my bench and to clear my head.

Overall, apart from a couple of head scratching moments listed above this is another stunner from Revell and those that decide to build this will not be disappointed. I do see potential think first act later moments up and coming such as the tail wheel and undercariage assemblies.

Regarding the bomb bays… Paint first, assemble later! with extreme care and tape!

Does anyone have the new Tamiya 1/32 P51 they don’t want?

Look out for Photos tomorrow

James

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Looking real nice so far…one thing though…for 1/32 the detail in the office seems a bit “thick” and molded in harness…really…I think RM could have spruced up the detail a bit… still nice work…[Y]…keep posting pics!!

carlos

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thanks for all the comments so far.

Pictures as promised.

But first… Once Eduard releases it’s own interior / exterior / mask sets etc I am sure that it will improve the cockpit etc 100% and add much more detail. I am building this OOB just to show what it looks like with no mods at all. but this oferiong from Revell is a very jucy one as it does IMHO look good just OOB but criess out for lots of extra detailing which I am sure that AM producers are already looking at. More about that in a later post.

THE PICS

a basic dry fit with tape. I have glued all the flying surfaces together and even given some of them a basic RLM 71 paint job. Still another couple of coats to go… when it is mostly together. This beast fills my small building table.

A head on shot for you all, just showing the size of this kit.

Closer look at the cockpit. Still a little painting to do, but more or less finished and awaiting its permanent home in the fuselage (dry fit with tape at the moment)

The Bomb Bays. just some paint patching to do which can be done when fitted to the lower wing/fuselage area.

Another view of the bomb bays. I am not sure if I should fill them or not. Once again a choice given in the instructions.

Radio op / fighting compartment. There is still more detail to go in and painting to do. You can see where I have put the unpainted MG magazine racks as detailed in my last post.

Another cockpit picture.

I am looking at a different procedure at fixing the lower fuselage/ wing root area to the fuselage than detailed in the instruction booklet.

Fot a start the fuselage must be exact in it’s putting together to make the lower fuselage/wing root have any chance of peing placed when it goes with no bother. this means that the front bulkhead and middle bulkhead bust fit into the marks provided correctly.

To this end I will be leaving the wing root upper parts off until I have the lower section with the bomb bays and undercart wells in place properly, glued in and fully dry. once I have that I can put the upper parts on and pull them into place so getting the correct dihedral for the wing root and not having any seams to fill. This is contrary to the instructions, but I will log this here.

I am doing it this way as i believe that due to these being large parts it would be easier to make sure that everything is in the correct place prior to being closed in and not acessable.

Comments and ideas welcome on this.

James

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You certainly don’t hang about do you. This is looking really nice, like the bomb bay. Sounds like a tricky procedure ahead. A bit unusal to see the wings fitted in this way on such a large kit. I would have expected them to be fitted in the same way as 72nd kits.

Looks damn good, and boy is it big.

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I will have to live vicariously here. That is one beautiful beast too big for me to contemplate buying and building. Your build is looking very nice[:P] and I for one appreciate the straight OOB approach. I gotta agree about your assesment of the detail. It’s adequete but could be better. Watching yours come together and I can hear Ron Goodwin’s Luftwaffe theme from “Battle of Britain” in my mind… Now for an Emil alongside and scale comparison…

Keep up the great work![Y]

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I hate you, snapxx… you have it in your hands and are even posting pics whereas we mere 'Muricans can still only preorder it… must get this kit!!

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I build the best I can… hey! It’s just a hobby.

Want an MP3 copy of that march? let me know. [:P]

I do have Trumpeter’s E3 in my cabinet so a size comparison when I’m done is no problem. I am glad that someone agrees with me about the detail, but for Revell to bring us these big beautiful bombers in a large scale is what modellers dream about. We have a carcass, some flesh… just need to pad it out with the detail. Isn’t that what this hobby is about?

Now this evening I have put the fuselage together and mounted the bomb bays in the lower fuselage/ inner wing lower mount. Tomorrow I will put them together and post pics. I have already mounted the bomb bay catwalk before I glued the fuselage together as I figured it would be easier to do before closing the fuselage. It was and although it is not clear where one side of the catwalk goes I fixed it and then checked it was OK and in the right place and level by a quick dry fit of the lower fuselage bomb bay parts.

Back to the detail. Kudos to Revell for giving us these kits. I for one have long dreamed of being able to build some of these bombers in a scale that would allow lots of detail. Revell have given us the opportunity with their 1/32 JU88 and He-111 and also with the Arado 196. That was a suprise and even without AM parts builds up to give a really good looking kit just OOB.

I think that with the big bombers Revell have put enough detail in to whet our appetite and with the Heinkel UK RRP of £59.99 doesn’t break the bank and gives everyone a chance to build this iconic aircraft. The JU88 is a bit less in the money market and very suprisingly the Arado is less - I couldn’t believe the amount of plastic I pulled out of that box for the money.

I realise that modellers want lots of detail to get their teeth into and the recent offerings of the Tamiya spitfires and the new P-51 gives just that - with a price tag to match!

Just imagine if Tamiya had produced this Heinkel. 2 engines in there, removeable cowlings, cockpit and inside fuselage so full of parts you’d be bogged down for weeks just painting never mind putting them together… Now think of the price tag that would come with that! OUCH!

I am not complaining at all I would love to see that from Tamiya just to prove what CAN be done with plastic. They have suprised alot of people with these recent spits and new P51. Mind you, Revell have also suprised people with their 1/32 releases (and in my opinion long wanted).

Now Revell do have a etched metal upgrade set for the cockpit and it is produced by Eduard no less. I am sure that Eduard has more up their sleeves than just a basic pre painted cockpit set to release and I see that a mask set is already set for an August release. I think that we will see a huge cockpit and fuselage interior update set, wheel wells and exterior update set before long. I am sure that other AM companies will also bring out sets for this kit too.

Kudos for the Revell designer too who apparantly during the design and reasearch stage on this kit suffered a car crash and a bad heart attack but has come back to give us this kit to build up. Can we have a Dornier 17 please?

I am sure that we will see this big beast at model competitions this year.

More pics tomorrow chaps

James

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Haaaaa! [;)]

be warned Dre, this is no small kit at all. It does take up a large space and there are pitfalls. This is why I am putting up my build so that you can see how it goes together and read about my experiences.

Eduards soon to be released canopy mask is a must. I will probably paint this one freehand and then wait to see what AM parts appear for it before building another and using them. Eduard have already produced a cockpit set for Revell (it has revells name on it) and may be worth getting it too, but it will probably be more expensive than the same thing that Eduard will eventually release.

So, for the time being it may be worthwhile adding it to your stash, unless you are like me who does a OOB build with no frills to see what can be done and then looks round to see what’s available to add and builds another with all the extra bits.#

My big bench has Trumpeters 1/16 King Tiger covering it (yes it is a VERY large tank with all the interior and my smaller bench (not much smaller though) has this thing filling it up!

Is it a nice build? - Yes

Has it problems? - What kit doesn’t, but with thought they are no problem!

What about the detail? - There is some, enough for the novice builder to handle, but advanced builders will complain that there isn’t enough.

Any comments? - Yes. the phrases “Does this huge thing actually fly?” and “where are you going to put it?” has come up

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,a 1/32 Do-17Z…hmmmm…now that would be tempting! [:D]