Anyone know of a reasonable conversion possibility using any of the plastic kits? If so, suggested references? Thanks in advance.
No better place to ask that than Pete Coleman’s site.
She was a one-off but a number of 98-gun Second Rates were built to her lines around 1800 and these should be very, very similar to her in size and appearance. I don’t have references to exact size at hand but can check when I get home.
Good suggestions-thanks very much. I’ve got an ‘extra’ kit and a need to plan for my retirement projects…
Even though some second raters were based on her lines there is a visible difference especially in the area of the stern galleries.
There are two models what I believe to be second raters in NMM declared wrongly as Vic in the NMM. SLR0513 + SLR0517
Here is a superimposing of one of these models with the real Vic:
There is a different rake of the stern and there are some ports missing in front of the galleries. Also the last ports are much nearer to the structure that too is much more narrow than the vic.
XXXDan
Thanks for illustrating that-much appreciated. Big stern rebuild there…
Hi,
the plans published in Crespo’s “Santisima Trinidad” cd show “Victory” actually quite close in size to “Neptune”,
and if I superimpose the plans (sorry, I don’t know how to change the colour) as they are supposedly the same scale-
and the gun decks are similar lengths, 57m gun deck for “Victory”, 56m for “Neptune” according to wikipedia and 186 ft for “Victory” and 185 ft for “Neptune” in David Lyon’s book. But if I place the plans of “Victory” next to “Neptune” from the plans from NMM, Victory looks bigger, but I can’t tell if they are the same scale. The gunports and the gap between match perfectly, which would suggest they are, it’s a strange coincidence if they’re not.
Let’s see… according to Lavery, The Ship of the Line, Vol I:
Boyne class second rates (to the draught of the Victory)
Boyne and Unicorn, ordered in 1801, launched in 1810 and 1811 respectively.
Length of gun deck: 186’, length of keel: 153’, breadth: 51’, depth in hold 22’
Armament: 28 x 32-pdr, 30 x 18-pdr, 30 x 12-pdr, QD 8x12-pdr + FC 2x12-pdr
For comparison, HMS Victory as built:
Length of gun deck: 186’, length of keel: 151’3" , breadth: 52’, depth in hold 21’6"
Armament: 30x42-pdr, 28x24-pdr, 30x12-pdr, QD 10x6-pdr + FC 2x6-pdr
So the vital measurements are very very nearly the same, probably handwaveable in 1:100 scale!
Armament differs a bit, primarily on the middle deck where the second rates have eighteens and the first rate has twentyfours. (The Vic had her 42-pounders replaced by 32-pounders at some point, as they were lighter, handier and fired faster.) The second rates have one less port on the lower deck and one more on the middle deck.
You will certainly see differences at bow and stern, the stern is much less raked on the newer ships as shown in the photo above. But if you want a realistic conversion option for the Victory, these two ships are as close as you get. Copies of the plans are to be had, I think via the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich. It will cost, of course.
Gentlemen, Thanks very much for the food for thought. I appreciate your suggestions. Bob Fuhrman