Hey All,
Silly question, since I know you guys have a hundred different
ways to apply pastels, but what are some good techniques?
I’m painting my Tiger I and I bought some pastels…I just don’t
know the best way to apply them and when! Help
Roy
Roy I asked the same thing not to long ago and got several ways here is the link to that topic to save some guys some typing.
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7324&SearchTerms=pastel
I just got my first set (cute, really), and find that various methods can achieve different results. For instance, if I directly apply the pastel by drawing a line where I want a, say streak of rainwater or rust, then brush it in with a soft brush, I get a nice faded streak.
If I shave off some pastel for smoke staining over the general area, then rub it in with a brush, I get a nice, large dark smudge… My results so far are in my bradley update…
Thanks guys. Hey Lizardqing, once you applied the pastels, did they disappear
once you applied the dullcoat?
Roy
As far as I recall as soon as the pastels are on you’re done. Hands off.
Correct me if I’m wrong though…
Michaelvk, won’t they rub off? That would drive me nuts!
Roy
I did’nt put on a dull coat. Once I put them on that was it on the shelf it went. I think if you put on a dull coat it takes away the look that you would be looking for with them,kind of etting a dust, it won’t look like dust anymore.
Hence hands off… Though according to my girlfriend (who did art in university) you can use hairspray to fix the pastels. I’ll have to try that first, because who knows what’ll happen when it touches the rest of the finish. There’s also a fixing spray available at hobby stores, but thats also subject to a test programme in the future…
Well guys, the problem is this… The model I’m doing now is a 1/16 Tiger I Full
Option tank. So this beast will be roaring through the backyard and battling other tanks. Any ideas? Thanks for your insights.
Roy
You lucky, lucky bugger…
Can I have a go?
I’d love to oblige you Michaelvk, let me know when you make it to the States! (I
have pictures posted so far of my progress on Erock68’s website. Check out
the sticky post at the top of the forum’s topic list.)
Roy
Roy;
Sounds like it will weather its self!!
I would try the hair spray thing. I think you would have two problems. 1) It would probably be glossy (and might even be splotchy), and 2) it might react with your paint.
I always spray a dull coat (usually Testor Dull coat using an airbrush) over my models when they are finished. I haven’t chalked a lot yet, but it didn’t ruin what I’d done. It does tone it down a bit, so you might have to go a little heavier than you’d think. But you can always add a more and re-dullcoat until you get the look you want. For me, it’s well worth not having to worry about the chalk getting smeared all over the model.
Good luck
Bill
Roy, If you put a good dull coat on before the pastels they will tend to stick in the rough texture but yes if you handle it too much some will come off. On my marder I used future with tamiya flat base and put a real light misty coat over the pastels just to try it and seal it and it did tone it down some but not terribly bad. It did lose some effect though. I think you’ll get some dusting from running it in the yard too so you might want to try some clear over your work. You can always add more after if you don’t like the look.
Oh and as far as appying them, I used a softer brush to add powder i’d scraped off the sticks and I used a stiffer brush and just brushed across the sticks and then on the model. It will go on heavy where you first apply it but you can brush and spread it around some.
Eric
Thanks Erush,
I was wondering how you did the pastels and weathering on your Marder. Would
you mind giving me the order that you painted your Marder? I have applied primer and the base color so far. I have yet to apply the remaining camo colors.
I plan to use future to seal it, then apply a wash, then a dull coat, then whatever weathering and pastels and finally another dull coat. Is this the correct way to go?
Roy
Roy,
Yep, try and save the pastels for the very last step. The only color that wasn’t too bad for me, after a dull coat, was black.
I first use an applicator that came with the pastels (you can find these in the cosmetic isle of any store) after I rub in the color I want, I will then add more with a brush.
PS…I almost forgot…
Make sure you brush a bit on the decals. It really gives them a “worn” look [;)]
You’ve got it Roy. I painted the camo then gloss coated and put the decals on first, clear over them then washed. Then I did all the scratches and chipped paint, sprayed a thinned dark earth over the wheels and lower hull then dull coated it. I then put the pastels on and did the real light misty dull coat.
Remember less is more and build them up slowly. I don’t know how well it will wash off if you want to remove it, I’m sure some will but it gets inbedded in the dull finish.
Eric
I’m furiously taking notes. (Thank you!) Do you think Solva-set will be able to suck the decals into the zimm? Or should I get someone to paint the numbers and the crosses? Thanks guys.
Roy
Solvaset should work Roy, but from what Moses says you might have better luck with dry transfers than decals and use the solvaset on them?? Hopefully Moses will see this. He knows zim!!!
Eric
Yeah, I thought of dry transfers too. But how available are they in 1/16 scale?
Roy
DOH!! I keep thinking in 35th [:0] I don’t know…You could try the decals but i’d have a big puddle of water in the zim and be very careful laying the decal on. Get one edge lined up good and try to lay it across, hold that edge then work it down as you go into the zim. Then after getting the extra water out i’d try the sovleset.
Eric