One of the newer books on S-boats is “German S-Boats in Action in the Second World War” by Hans Frank. The book is published and distributed in the USA by Naval Institute Press. The books ISBN is 978 1 59114 309 3. It has two pictures of the EMC or UMB type horned mines loaded on S-boats. Page 25 has a photo of horned mines being loaded, two are on the port quarter deck with a third being lowered, several crew members are in the scene. Page 154 has a picture showing 6 horned mines loaded on the stern.
Most boats sailed with two torpedoes loaded in the tube, and usually two reloads - never 4 reloads. The spare torpedo racks are just too close together to hold 4 spare fish, they would not be centered in the racks.
Torpedo in the aft racks on my 1:36th scale Tian Jia S-100. The TJ kit was released almost two years ago.
Thanks Bob, will try that book. Have also found a couple of photo’s online of mine + wheeled (and I presume weighted) carriage that would be able to roll off the stern racks. Haven’t seen any of these little carts online yet so looks like some serious scratchbuilding will be necessary here. Check out the picture:
cheers,
Julian [yeah]
I received my heavy metal on tuesday; as I stated before: a nice improvement to the plastic parts:
Gotrek
PS: …and now I’m waiting for the mines!
Looks great Gotrek, just ordered my set from Schatton models as well. Now if I can sneak this past mrs. Grem56 I might just still be alive next weekend [:-^][swg]
Julian
Is anyone drilling out all of those pipes and exhausts(?) in the side of the hull?
I did on the Revell 1/72 scale s-boat. Stuck pieces of sprue on the inside of the hull where vents and outlets were supposed te be and drilled in from the outside. For the diesel exhausts in this scale you are going to need some very hefty pieces of sprue. Not sure about the Italeri offering.
Julian [2c]
I guess it will be hard to get some close-ups of that massive exhaust (one with the fairing) to see what’s inside, like flappers, gills, etc (would have to be in dry dock or at the factory pics).
There are several books with photo’s of the engine rooms and underwater exhaust outlets of the S-boats. They had very powerful diesel engines and that generally means big exhaust pipes. As far as that is concerned the underwater exhaust outlets were state of the art in 1939 AFAIC. Try these books for some reference:
S-boote: German E-boats in action 1939-1945. ISBN: 2-913903-49-5
Schnellboot in action. ISBN: 0-89747-457-0
No photos of the boats in dock so I have no idea if there were shutters or valves in the pipes.
Julian
…nice link:
http://www.plasticmodellbausaetze.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=333
I think, he was working day and night!
Gotrek
me thinks that someone has too much time on their hands!!!
but that diorama is superb!
James
Magnificent build !
Julian
The pipes would have valves, probably about a foot inboard of the hull skin. Best way to replicate the pipes would be some brass or aluminum tubing - much easier than trying to drill out sprue. The cooling water inlet valves would be globe or gate valves. The exhaust valves would most likely be butterfly valves.
My Trumpeter King Tiger II tanks have arrived this very day… The Schnellboot is on hold for a little while. I do tend to move between projects and will come back to it.
James
James are you in the States? Stevens said they were expecting them on Monday.
On that mine issue, a book I just got shows the porcupine mines on the back of a boat but they are nowhere near the size of the one you had. Also the roller was removed from the port side as on the right they had the cannister depth charges. Further on in the book I found that the mines were in fact in different sizes based on amount of explosive I guess. Don’t know if the boats actually carried the biggest ones made, all the photos had the smaller size depicted, and they were almost half the size of that monster you posted sitting on the back end of your boat.
Couldn’t agree more Joe and agree that a smaller size will be more realistic. 6 of these bigguns (sound like Al Bundy here) would upset the trim of this ship in a big way I would presume. I will be waiting for Robert Schattons offering and might even do the mix of mines and charges you suggested.
'Oi, Snap old chap, this is a rather abrupt end to your build thread. Keeping us boat builders in suspense now you hear? [:)]
cheers,
Julian
I will come back to this kit, I promise.
I live in the UK and I guess that import/export rules are a bit different here. Pocketbond Who import for trumpeter have done a great job in getting this out to retailers. You should have seen me go out of the door after I rung the model shop… warp factor 9 or what!!!
I’m going to post some piccies of the kit onto the armour forum shortly. I will do a full photo shoot of the entire kit in proper daylight (or what passes for daylight at this time of year.)
For Julian and Joe - If you’ve ordered this kit you won’t be dissapointed!
James
James, won’t tie this thread up with more tank talk but yes I have one on pre-order!
Will be looking for your comments in the armor section!
Just been having a closer look at his photo’s. Looks like he put his tube doors on with the hinges on the wrong side. Still nifty paintwork though.
Julian
Hope you don’t mind me joining in the debate, about the s-boat ! after a years wait i got my hands on one, mine is to be r/c, to go with my early 1/35 th scale s-boat [e-boat] which i did three years ago, but back to the new one,i was going to fit a quad on the rear as of s-174, but seems everyone is doing the same, found a firm who makes the mines, but by the time i put four on the rails, they would cost more than the boat kit ,got the hull glued together, don’t like the screws or the way they have changed the keel, don’t like the hull side inserts afer you fitted the bracing, i think they have too many water outlets along hull sides, so far have three propshafts fitted along with kits propellers and have the rudders nexts.post more as i build keef666