Well here is my first attempt at armor. Please give me some input. I still have to install the tracks and the stowage.
Thank you
Zip
I like the dusty look of it [tup]
Zip,
From an old hand with armor, here are some tips to look up on the posts of mine on this forum. Hope they help and keep up the great look, just remember, the armor you see on the boxtop art and the real thing is not the same. None of my work is “new”.
From the perspective of a Mark 3 tank yours is early '40s as the color was changed to Armor Yellow in the last couple of years of WW 2. But grey was the basis for all armor and in some cases the crews had limits on the paint supplies so anything was OK as far as patterns.
Happy modeling…gotta go, my wife has dinner on the plate [:D]
johncpo. the retired Navy Chief that keeps popping up around here [8D]
Hi Zip: Great choice for a first armor model. (that’s a Mk III BTW, johncpo – the hunger must have gotten to you LOL).
It looks nice and the weathering is sublime and realistic. A book I frequently recommend is Kalmbach’s “Modelling Realistic AFVs and Artillery”. Lots of good pics and descriptions. Armor tends to be very well researched. If you have questions on history and usage, post a question. Unfortunately, lots of older stuff is rife with assumptions, out of date info, and sheer fantasy or fabrication. I’m in the middle of a large article about identifying different models of the German 8.8cm Flak gun. It includes errata of many books. One book purports to be a photojournal of the Flak 18, Flak 36 and Flak 37. The problem that they overlooked is that their Flak 18 is actually a Flak 36. Stuff like that…
Lots of good info and photos float around nowadays.
Keep up the good work!
I’m sorry, but I can’t pass this one. It’s a Panzer IV, and by the look of it, a Ausf. D with upgraded armor. The panzer III, starting with the Ausf. E, had only 6 road wheels per sides. (Earlier ones were with trial suspension type)
I would like to make another small correction. 88mm Flak 18 had a monobloc type of barrel (1 piece). Flak 36 and 37 had a 3 piece barrel, economically better than Flak 18 (you just change the worn out part of the barrel instead of the whole assembly)
Again, I’m sorry to pinpoint that, but it’s in my nature.[8)] Hope I didn’t offend anyone.[:)]
looks good to me zip, nicely weathered and dusty i look forward to seeing it with the tracks and stowage. nice job.
Oops! Sorry! That was my mistake. You’re correct. It’s the Tamiya Pz IV D. (That’s what I meant to say-- honest!!!)
By the way, you’re incorrect about the Flak 18 versus Flak 36 designation. The designation changed when the Lafette 36 (an updated cruciform gun mount) was instituted for the 8.8cm Flak series. The Lafette 36 had narrower arms and accomodated the SdAnh 202 trailers (the Flak 18 used the SdAnh 201 trailers). The trailers were significantly different and mounted to the gun carriage differently. For instance, the Flak 18 could only be towed with its gun tube forward due to the differing front (which only had two wheels) and rear trailers. The Flak 36, 37 and 41 (which used the SdAnh 202) could be transported either way.
Have a look at the AFV Club Flak 18 versus a DML or Tamiya Flak 36 or 37 and you’ll immediately see the difference. The rear SdAnh 201 trailer mounted directly onto the gun base well too.
The Flak 36 was issued with the Flak Rohr 36, a three piece barrel, that’s correct. The Flak 18s were originally issued with the one-piece Flak Rohr 18. That’s correct too. However, they were ballistically the same and it wasn’t uncommon to see older Flak 18s having the “latest and greatest” Flak Rohr 38 gun tubes. Surplus Flak Rohr 18 gun tubes were also seen on Flak 36s too.
This is clearly stated in Jentz’ “8.8cm Dreaded Threat” book by Panzertracts.
Indentification by looking at the gun tube is one of the myths I take on squarely in my article. Look for it in the August Boresight magazine. Contact me offsite if you want more info.
Not offended at all. I love talking this stuff!
I’m sorry guys,
I should have mention that it is Tamiya’s Panzer IV Ausf. D. I guess I was so curious about your opinions on the weathering that I forgot to mention the make and model. And yes with upgraded armor. Here’s a couple more (better) pics. I’m still new at that also.
Thanks guys
Zip
Wholly Crap …Thanks biffa. Haven’t heard from you in a while. Thanks for the comment! Coming from you realy means alot. Wow
Thanks T26E4 I’ll check into that book!
You really know your stuf Gun Tech, thank you
Zip
Great effort so far Zip. Coming right along. Not being a huge weatherer, I’m not one at giving out alot of advice. Some drybrushing would break up that monotone look though.
I did drybrush it but for some reason I can’t get everything to show up in the pics. I really need to research picture taking! Aircraft I don’t have as much of a problem. You wouldn’t believe how many pics I took to get these four. Thank god for digital cameras!
Thanks
Zip
I think dusting and mud are easy to mess up, and I suggest the less-is-more approach, using various shades and tones. Other than that, it looks great for a first build.
Looking good!
Well here it is finished. First amor anything. I finished it before my accident and took pics, but not able to post til now.
Thank you
Zip
Good to see you got this one done and are back on the forums Zip!
She turned out quite nicely and they’ll only get better with every build. Keep em coming.
It looks pretty cool there, Zip! I like the Panzer Grey, and the weatherin’ to boot! What would be a nice touch is to texture and weather that exhaust unit, a little. It looks too pristine for my likin’! Nonetheless, a great lookin’ build! [:D]
That’s a wonderfull Pz IV there Zip. I like the tracks. Weathering is very nice. I agree with FingerEddie about the muffler. Maybe a little more drybrushing on it. (black or very dark grey)
Excellent job.
Great work Zip.
Hey zipmeister,
Looks good I like the weathered look.