Shark & Butz - There are 2 German yellows. The one you probably mean is RLM 04. This was the Russian theater i.d. color. The other is RLM 27, used in Greece and Crete. Examples are : Ju 87 wingtip undersurface in Russia (04) and Ju 52 cowlings used in Crete (27). These colors are also visible as bands on the rear fuselage. Hope this helps. Pix.
AH thats it Pix RLM 04. You know for as many times that I use that color, I should remember that number!!
Hey shark,
After I get done w/ my P-47, my next project will be a P-51B from the 362dFS, 357thFG.
It will be in the markings of Capt D. Perrons “Lil Bitch”. Unfortunately Capt Perron lost his life on 4/1/44 in a mid air just a little after take off.
Almost two years of doing research may be finally over!! The reason why it has taken me so long is the fact that there is little info on his 51.
Anywho I’m working now w/ a few memebers from the 357th to help me piece together info on his ship. Basically its to help me get his code letter G4*?.
Since then Mr Olmsted has gotten in contact w/ me through another gentlemen and I should be home free very soon.
Will post pics when the bird is done!!
Flaps up, Mike
Hey Butz and Pix
Thnx for the color reference…ill make sure to look into the
RLM 04…I’ve also been thinking about getting a little RC Park Flyer P-51D as my own little “Project”,my hopes for getting the real thing went down the drain[:(]…lol[:p]…but ill get some aftermarket decals and turn it into a 357th bird…so i guess knowing what yellow to use is a big help for both projects[:p].
…speakin of projects, thats alot of research butz[:p] two years…but if u got ppl from the actuall group then you cant get any better than that!![:D]…hey i guess it will be worth it to know that is an accurate model[:D] I cant wait to see your finished products(P-47 and the upcomin Stang)
-also thnx for the Metallica pic pix[:D] i thought that was pretty funny[:p][:p]
But like i said ill look into the colors and will hopefully take some pics soon of the progress
Hey shark,
I too am looking forward to the day I complete my P-51B.
Actually I dont mind if the research takes a while because if the out come is a plus, well then it was well worth my efforts.
Every book that I have come across pertaing to the 357th, there is always one shot of Perrons a/c. But again in the script next to the pic, it gives ya everything except for the code letter.
He and his wing man basically flew into each other under some very low cloud cover.
Mr Olmsted sent me a pic of the 362ds breifing room that showed a chart w/ all the a/c of that FS(code letters and s/n(no names though)). Photo was taken a few days after Perron and his wing were killed.
There is a blank that is left after the letter “G” and 'M" w/ no s/n.
Both Mr Olmsted and myself have come to the conclusion that those letters may been from their a/c but which one belongs to who??
Since the photos of both their a/c are not well documented, either one I choose would not be incorrect!!
Flaps up, Mike
Wow…I guess it sounds like you picked a hard plane to acurately represent…but even though it may not be the right code letter or s/n nobody would really know[8D]
…but at the same time your bringing the dead bird back to life again[:p][:p]
[:D]Good luck on the build[:D]
I dont want to sound like a pain for always askin questions[:p][:p]…but does anybody know what the measurments were of the invasion stripes on the P-51D…either the measurments of one stripe or of the group…i downloaded the scale calculater so i can figure the measurments in scale if i know the measurments of the actual stripes. Also is the stripes on the side larger in width or the same than the ones on the wings?
Hey shark,
As for Perrons a/c, I have the nose art already done and I have his s/n as well.
His s/n was 43-6792 and his wingman Rydberg was 43-6629.
As for the dimensions for the invasion stripes, I’ll get back to ya later on k. Just drop me a line via e-mail.
Flaps up, Mike
Hey Butz
Thats cool…I guess youve finally got what you was looking for[:p]…your research is better than mine…hehe I even tried to find atleast one pic of his P-51 but found nothing!![:D][:0] so ur right about it not being well documented…but if you enter it in a show the judges might pay more attention to it because other people might not have done that plane b4[:D]
But dont bust ur butt[B)] trying to find deminsions to those stripes…i did some research and luckily found a place that had it…it said that each stripe was 15 inches…so for those who need to know:
-Rounding to the nearest 10th…
1/24 =.63in
1/32 =.47in
1/48 =.31in
1/72 =.21in
1/100 =.15in
Hope that’ll help someone out[:p][:p] “I guess its a good thing to pay attention during math class”[;)][^][:p]
Hey shark,
Heres the answer to your question about the invasion stripes.
Fuselage: Five, 18-inche stripes
Wings: Five 20-inch stripes
The 15-inch stripe that your talking about belong on the horizontal stabilizer and theres also a 12-inch band thats on the vertical tail.
Theres are the ETO(European Theater of Operation) bands. NMF(natural metal finish) a/c had black bands while the OD and neutral gray a/c had white bands.
Hope this sheds some light for ya bud.
Flaps up, Mike
Hey Butz![:D]
Wow![:0] Thnx dude…you saved my model[:p][:p] i had already measured out on card-like paper[:I]…for the painting…but im still gotta cover it in foil first though. but now that i think about it those stripes did seem a little small on the side…but i guess the source i found wasnt too acurate…cause it said all the stripes were the same width[V]
Well i want to correct the first scale table above so…
Scale/ Fuselage/ Wings
1/24 = .75in .83in
1/32 = .56in .63in
1/48 = .38in .42in
1/72 = .24in .28in
1/100 = .18in .2in
{Anything
smaller} = Really small stripes![:D][;)][:D][:p]
But once again man thnx a million for tellin me about the measurements[:D][:p] Where do you get this stuff[?] You like know it all![;)][:D][:p]
Thnx dude!!
Hey shark,
Your welcome anytime[:p][:p][;)]. If you had a 1/48th scale ruler, it would help you out a lot better when it comes time to measure out the individual stripes.
Anything else you need let me know.
Flaps up, Mike
For what it’s worth I just got a 1/48 Hasegawa D model Mustang. My Dad gave it to me. He just got the new Tamiya bird, and said that he didn’t want the Hasegawa one anymore. Any thoughts on if it’s any good? I know, no dropped flaps but anything besides that?
Rebel99 - I have both kits, and I think that the detail in the Hasegawa cockpit is superior. However, the wheel wells are very shallow. They both LOOK like Mustangs, and when it sits on a shelf, you don’t notice the depth of the wheelwells. I don’t know if that’s important to you or not. Both kits fit extremely well, and I had fun building both.
Hey Rebel,
Just like Pix had said, both kits are very well done!! I have both kits myself and I plan on building both of them too[:p][:p][;)]
Just be careful with the Hasegawa 47 when attaching the wing section to the fuselage because the fit may be a lil tight in some areas.
Flaps up, Mike
Thanks guys. Now all I have to do is figure out what markings to put on it…
Wow butz…you mentioned it being a tight fit on that kit…I wish i had that problem for my fuselage on this P-51D! On the fuselage there are only 5 prongs that fit into the holes on the opposite side…and theyre all in the wrong spots[:0]…theres one near the canopy…2 in the horizontal stabilizer…and 2 in the front…there is none near the intake scoop at the bottom[V]…hopefully when glue is applied it will stick better…cause when i try to test fit it together…i have to use little pieces of masking tape to keep the halfs from coming loose[8D] 'caus i like to test fit the parts(i.e the engine, oil tank, and also like to see how and where the floor of the cockpit will fit…to see the basic layout…but this is the only real problem ive seen in the fitting of parts…though making sure each prop blade is at the right angle(not at 90 degrees[:p]) will be challenging.
[I do have pics of engine, canopy, oil tank, guns, and radar equipment that i will post in a few days hopefully to show progress]
**Hey butz…**i know i can count on you to answer my question[:p][:p]…so i was wandering how many bullets was between each tracer bullet?..also they were red tiped right? I was wanting to make it as real as i could so i needed to know how many was between each tracer…I think i heard that there was three between the tracer…but i wanted to make sure
thnx
Well…school started back a week ago…and progress is slow now[:(] the last thing i did though was paint the wheel wells OD…i had thougth about doin a NMF look to the inside but i thought that i would go a head and paint it an alluminum color then try the salt technique and do the OD. Well when i tried to do the salt…it just didnt go where i wanted it to go…so i washed the salt out. I used the blue painters tape to mask the edges which works really well compared to common masking tape…when it dried there must have been some left over salt particles or something because you can see some alluminum through the OD making it look worn…and there is some spots that has no OD…to look like paint has chiped off…so i got a neat finish without even trying…lol[:D]
Hey shark,
I think a tracer is every 5th or 6th bullet. I could be wrong!! I know the answer but I have been working long hours at the border so I have not gone and checked w/ my reference to refresh my memeory or whats left of it…LOL[:p][:p]
Flaps up, Mike
When I’ve read bio’s where they mentioned tracers, they usually put them 1 in 5, but that was also a personal choice. Some squads took them out altogether for combat missions. If their first shot was not perfect, the enemy pilot was not tipped to their presence by the tracer rounds zipping by his plane. More sucessful bounces that way. If they used them though, I think 1 in 5 was the norm. I remember distinctly reading a quote by someone, (I have the book, I’ll have to look it up) where he said their squadron wasn’t doing as well as they should have been until the squad leader took the tracer rounds out of their ammo. After that their kills went up about 30% for everyone. Neat-o.
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