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O the joy of decals and companies getting them wrong. It sound as if Kits world has messed up in the shape of the background, it should defiantly be a square, there were no rectangles.

Did you check the 486th BG site. I had a look and they list the serials of their aircraft. There is no mention of 765, but there is a 693. Theres a pic of the aircraft in flight and one of a model.

693 is number 54 on this page. Go to page 2 and there is no 765.

http://www.486th.org/Photos/AC1/Aircraft.htm

And this is the model.

http://www.486th.org/Photos/AC6/Aries1.htm

There is several pages. And if anyone should know, I imagine it should be these guys.

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And something else I found, the 486th only arrived in the UK in March 44, therr first mission was on 7th April In July they switched to B-17’s, I thought it was odd to see a Suffolk based B-24. So I can’t imagine the aircraft would have changed a great deal in 4 months.

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I did check the 486th website, Bish. It only mentioned 693, as you say. I was also checking to see if I could find out how many missions “Aries” flew before 6 June. Still looking. The site seems to list missions by crew, rather than by aircraft. Earl McCabe’s crew flew “Aries” for six missions before D-Day, so I suppose she should at least carry six of the markers.

Still looking around the net, I found this on ebay:

The nose art looks finished to me, but there are no mission bombs painted on the cockpit armor, visible at the upper right.

In contrast, again, is this photo showing Sgt. Brinkman at work–with the mission bombs clearly visible.

As far as the group “O” goes, I opted to go with the white square, since it obviously appears in photos. Of course, that still means messing with MicroScale’s decal potion. So far, the wing insignia went on OK; that only leaves the two on the vertical stabilizers.

Interesting, too, in the above-photo are the long exhaust stains on the port wing, and the shorter ones evident on the starboard wing. Apparently the rubber de-icer boots were left on the vertical stabilizers but removed on the wings and horizontal stabilizer.

I applied the nose art decal today, and K-W’s interpretation looks much superior to Academy’s (done by Scale-Master, so the sheet says).

Making progress, anyway: built the landing gear, painted the nose and tail turrets and the bomb bay doors, so if nothing goes wrong again I should finish up soon.

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I saw that last pic on the 486th site but had not noticed the staining, that is a bit odd.

Did crews tend to stick to the same aircraft, that was the impression I was under. I thought the aircraft would then go to a new crew when the previous one had completed their tour.

I have checked by B-24 books, but I have nothing on Aires. I think its going to be a case of making a best guess. I think 6 mission bombs would be about right.

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I also thought the crews stuck to one assigned aircraft, but since reading your post I went back to looking through the crew missions.

“Aries” was flown by Lt. van Camp’s crew on 27 and 28 May, 1944, between missions flown by McCabe’s crew (on 24 and 31 May). Lt. Barker’s crew flew her on 16 and 17 June; Lt. Hilfinger’s crew flew her on 27 June, 1944–which are both out of the time frame, so that doesn’t really matter.

So–if McCabe’s crew flew six missions before D-Day, and van Camp’s crew flew two, that should make eight mission markers before 6 June.

This is starting to hurt my head, so I think I’ll go with eight mission markers, then leave it alone. Kits-World conveniently included some decals for them.

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I guess its possible the other crews plane’s were unserviceable, and for some reason McCabes were rested or something.

I don’t think I would get to stressed over it. You can only go so far, and then just have to make a decision. I don’t think you will be excluded from the GB if it is later shown your mission marks are not 100% correct.

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Checkmate - I think whatever it is you chose decal wise, it will look great. It is a bugger when the information is out there in bits and pieces.

It does seem there were two aircraft named Aries. The one with the lone ram artwork seems to have been renamed RAM IT DAMMIT at some point, according to this site;

http://www.b24bestweb.com/aries-v2-1.htm

regards,

Jack

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Yes crews usually, but not always flew the same aircraft. For example, Flak Bait’s normal (and third) crew was bumped out of her so the Group commander could fly her for her milestone 200th mission. But usually the reasons are more mundane. The crew may be on leave or pass, or some reason of rank and mission number seniority. Another not so well known example of not using the crews assigned aircraft are both Enola Gay and Bock’s Car. Both were flown on their Atomic Bomb missions by pilots who were not regularly assigned to them. The Enola Gay nose art was added just prior to that mission at the direction of Col. Tibbets, and really upset her normally assigned aircraft commander. That was “his ship” and not Col. Tibbets assigned mount.

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It appears the Academy people didn’t do their homework, either. Thanks for the link Jack. I see that the alternate “Aries” was assigned to the 44th BG.

Thanks also for the info, Bish and stik. I’ll proceed as planned, and will post some more progress photos later today. Had a little trouble with the nose and tail turrets I need to see to.

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Clearly that did do their research. they must have seen the markings and thought Zodiac, it must belong to the 486th.

That other Aires, it joined the 44th, BG in Nov 44, several months before the 486th came over, so I am guessing this was the first one. then when the Zodiac Sq came over and had their Aires, they renamed the first one. That seems the most logical explanation to me.

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Sounds plausible, Bish. From what I’ve found, artist Sgt. Brinkman had some different designs. There were apparently two for “Leo,” and “Taurus” was never finished, so maybe the lone ram was his first concept. Interesting historical digression, anyway.

Here’s the Martin top turret. There was originally a flange at the bottom of the solid piece, intended to sandwich the assembly between the fuselage and hold it in place. I filed it off, and will just drop it in place. It didn’t fit well anyway.

And the ball turret. I’ll have to glue this into the fuselage, since the bracket inside the fuselage broke once the fuselage was closed up. It fell out, and defied my efforts to replace it.

Looks like sanding dust got stuck inside. I’ll try blowing it out with my compressor–but then, maybe it’s imperfections in the clear molding. Didn’t notice it until looking at the photo.

The main wheels. I’ve already installed the nose wheel.

And the engine nacelles.

Currently working on the nose and tail turrets. They’ll be kind of unsightly, since they are each split in two pieces from side to side, right through the clear areas.

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CMK02: Again, very nice work there. I hate it when I cement something together and find sanding dust inside where I can’t reach it so I hope it’s not that.

Interesting facts about the two Aries, I had no idea. I think I’d mentioned building the same kit as Virgo for the pilot of that aircraft some years back. Sucks that he passed away a few weeks before I finished her. I found the photos the other night- will have to see about posting them over in the dio section.

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Would that have been Lt. Charlie McGill? The 486th BG website lists him as pilot of “Virgo.” for 11 missions. He must have had some stories to tell.

I for one would like to see the photos of your build.

Flat-coated the fuselage and wings today; applied some powdered pastel for engine exhaust staining; worked on the nose and tail turrets; painted de-icer boots on the rudders.

Not much substance there for photos, but the day is still young.

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gamera, I hope you can find those pics. Do you still have the build.

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Some progress photos.

I unmasked the windows, and managed to dislodge the astrodrome. Also pulled up some paint on the cockpit canopy frame. In the process of fixing both. I could make progress if it weren’t for all the repair work. [bnghead]

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Getting real close there now CMK

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Yeah, stik; I even got the wings attached after posting those photos.

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CMK02: I know what you mean about one step forward and one step back. Still the nose art and the clear parts look great!

Guys, yes Charlie McGill was the pilot, only met him once when I started work on the B-24, sadly he passed away before I finished it. I found the photos but they’re a little blurry. I posted them over in the Diorama section.

Link

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Looking good CMK. I almost always get little “dings” here and there when I unmask. And it seems like with every other project I break something major off. I think the decals look great despite the problems you’ve been having.

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Thanks, guys. I have hopes to finish things up this weekend.

Bob, I know how that goes. One of the things to contemplate during building is what to add when–so I don’t knock something off, especially when it’s impossible to put it back on.

Gamera, the dio of Virgo looks great. Just had a look at it. Good motivation to get Aries finished.

Where did you get the figures from? There never seems to be much available out there in 1/72.