Kursk (Unternehmen Zitadelle) GB (July 5th-October 31st)

Well, there obviously is plenty of interest coming from the other thread. So, as in tradition to my other GB’s, I go by guidelines, not rules. They are as follows:

  • Kit must pretain to the battle of Kursk and the timeframes involved
  • Kit must be unstarted or barely
  • Any and all aftermarkets and scratchbuilding are acceptable
  • Any scale
  • Badge can only be claimed upon completion of model
  • Most importantly, share your work and or problems
  • Post pics if possible
  • Chatting is encouraged
  • By all means have fun and enjoy the Group Build

Kick off is for July 5th, actual first day of the battle. That gives all a good month to get prepared. As tempting as it is, no early starting!

Here’s the badges:

It has been requested to download the badge of your building to your computer and upload it to photobucket or whatever you use.

Following participants:

  1. Tigerman- Trumpter KV-I Heavy-cast Turret
  2. Espins- Tamiya Tiger I Early
  3. Kcmat- Dragon Marder II
  4. bobbaily- Dragon T-34 1941
  5. Gun Tech- AFV Club 10.5cm LeFH18
  6. ruddrat- Tamiya Pz. IV H
  7. roosterpelo- Dragon Marder III H
  8. dupes- Dragon 251/1 C
  9. Zokissima- Pz III’s
  10. bufflehead- Dragon Panther D
  11. M1 A1 A2 Tanker- Trumpeter KV-I 1942 Simplified Turret
  12. Comet- Tamiya Churchill (lend-lease)
  13. JMcmenamin- Trumpeter KV-IC Cast turret
  14. Plastic_Cross- Dragon SU-152
  15. Hermesminiatures- Dragon Ferdinand & Alanger Russian 76mm gun
  16. Jester75- Stug III F8
  17. crazygerman- Tamiya T-34 1943
  18. Brumbles- Dragon T-34 1941
  19. Glamdring- Tamiya Tiger I Early
  20. Svenne Duva- Dragon Tiger I Early
  21. Mikeace20- Dragon Panther D
  22. detailfrak- Dragon Stug III G Early
  23. Treadwell- Trumpeter KV-1 Simplified turret
  24. Ralph G Williams- Dragon T-34 1941
  25. biffa- T-70
  26. JohanT- Dragon Pz IV F2/G
  27. Still-learning- Dragon Panther D Premium
  28. bultenibo- Tamiya Matilda Mk II lend-lease
  29. Specter- Tamiya T-34 1941 1/48
  30. koenigtiger- Tamiya Pz. IV H
  31. Manstein’s revenge- Tamiya T-34 1942
  32. CDNTanker25- Dragon Pz IV F2/G
  33. mg42gunner- Tamiya T-34 1943
  34. jboutin- Revell Pz III L in braille
  35. Perry- Tamiya stuG III Early
  36. jthurston- Tamiya Pz III L
  37. waynec- Miniart 76mm AT
  38. Kykeon- Pz II L Luchs
  39. fantacmet- Dragon Marder II
  40. mparhom02- T-34
  41. Saddler- Dragon 251/C in braille
  42. Utoshita- Dragon 2cm Flak 38
  43. Labour In Vain- T-34
  44. tiger boy- Dragon Tiger I
  45. Richard.Carpenter- Academy Tiger I Early
  46. Some Assembly Required- Tamiya Steyr 1500

Sign me up! I’ll do a Tamiya 1/35 Tiger 1 “Das Reich” [8D]

Good deal! I’m looking forward to this one alot. My first GB and I hope to learn more about Kursk from this. I’v always strayed more towards the western side.

Plan to build Dragon’s Marder II … although July 15 is a ways away and maybe a KV will follow me home![:-^]

Early or Mid?

Good question. Maybe Hermisminiatures or another Tiger expert can help me out. Would the Tiger’s of “Das Reich” at Kursk be early or mid-production? [%-)]

Either should work.

Put me down for a Tamiya 1/35 Tiger I Early with Das Reich markings. [8D]

I dug around in my armor stash upstairs… my wife got me this kit about a year or so ago along with an aluminum barrel. She’s so awesome [:X]

Sign me up for the Ferdinand, 1/35 Dragon Ferdinand and/or Elefant kits.

And yes, both early and Mid Tigers were at Kursk, but there would have been more Mid variants. The freshly-equipped SS Panzergrenadier Divisions (Leibstandarte Adolph Hitler, Das Reich, and Totenkopf) would have had almost all or all Mid production vehicles, while Grossdeutschland’s Tiger battalion would probably have had an even mix, since the majority of their Tigers were delivered earlier, in time for the Third Battle of Karkhov in January '43.

Tiger expert? Glad you think so. I just happen to be good at reading and using Google.

Restayn, now he’s a Tiger expert[:)]

I know you’ve been told this before Scott, you’re a lucky guy! [;)]

put me down for a T-34/76 model 1943, i’ve only built 4 or 5 road wheels in the kit then put it back on the shelf and left it alone since, if thats ok, other than that i’ve only done research, you mentioned AM, is scratchbuilding ok as well?..a group build will give me some good motivation to stick to one project [:D]

I find GB’s great motivators. That is why I get things done.

Yes, scratching is fine and I will add it to my initial post.

That’s overall quite a nice kit. I might recommend PE skirt armor, though - the included plastic looks quite fake when done. If you get the Aber set, which I liked a lot, you’ll get the exhaust shrouds too.

If you’d rather not monkey with PE - don’t feel pressured[;)]

Absolutely. Plus, they’re a great learning experience. I am so ready for this GB. It’s been quite a few years since my last armor build, so I see this as a great opportunity to pick the expert’s brains a bit and apply what skills I’ve picked up in the interim. Plus, got the Tamiya P. IV H kit, the modelkasten tracks, a Jordi Rubio aluminum L/48, some Eduard and OTM PE, Third Group decals, lots of styrene sheet/stock, & resin nuts & bolts…yeah, I’d say I’m as ready as I’ll ever be! [;)]

That is quite a list! I look forward to it. BTW, is it the better Early verision or the older kit?

Not sure if all Ausf. H at Kursk were early production, but if they were, they would probably have the earlier drive sprocket, idler wheel and rubber return rollers.

Eric & Jean-Michel, it’s kit #209, which is listed as the early version, so I hope I’m OK. [;)] It provides two different drive sprockets (so I’ll have to do a little research), one style of idler sprocket, and rubber return rollers. Should be a fun project. I’m really looking forward to this GB! [tup]

This is a early drive sprocket that would have been used on a Ausf. H :

Here’s a late one :

Now, here’s a early idler wheel :

And a late one :

I did see pics of some J’s with the earlier style of idler…

Hope that helps [:)]

Can more than one claim the same kit? I’d like to build my Dragon T-34/1941, but I see it’s already claimed.

Gotta say, though, I may not be able to complete: it’s gonnabe an eventful summer: I may be starting a new job and moving, or if I don’t, I’ll be moving my girlfriend to Lovely Fort Laudrerdale. The permanent model-building workshop (i.e., my dining room table) may become a thing of the past!

Jean-Michel, they help a bunch! Those are perfect…exactly what the parts in the Tamiya kit look like. Thanks so much! [tup] Great photos!

I will be building Dragons SdKfz 131 Marder II. Got alot going on as well this summer but I think I can finish it up by October. This will be my first GB as well so this should be cool!