[(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] i knew you badger suckers would look!!![:p][:D] the airbrush forum has been boring for long enough boyz…BRIING IT ON!!!LOL. later.
Chris, don’t be shy, tell us how you really feel [:)]. BTW, have you considered switching to DeCaf ? [:D].
Regards, Rick
saltydog, that is hilarious! I’m sure MikeV will be around shortly to whip your @ss again.
Here are some Iwata Eclipse gravity vs Omni 4000 questions:
What are they plated with?
What are the needles made of? Which needle is stronger?
Which one has the best way of keeping the needle locked in and centered?
Which one has less internal non-metal parts which can be ruined by auto lacquer reducer?
Which one’s color cup is easier to clean out? Can you reach the needle with a swab from inside the color cup?
Which one has the shortest paint path from the cup to the nozzle?
Paasche!!!
…and is there also a .5 mm nozzle/needle set that can fit the Omni 4000 like there is for the Iwata Eclipses?
I know the answers to a bunch of these. I’m just causing ya’ll to have to do some work for the spectators [:P]
and don’t forget PRICE!!
It’s not just to find out which one costs less. It would be good to find out the differences in order to see if someone might want a $105 airbrush or a $70 airbrush.
the fit and finish of the iwata are not worth $40
how 'bout some details on why you say that though?
There’s more to it than fit and finish because it’s not like these two airbrushes are using the same interchangeable parts.
No there is only one needle/tip combo for the Omnis. They can perform quite well the way they are and you don’t need to waste even more money for another needle/tip combo that has no real benefits.
And how do you know the answers to these questions David?
Is this from your own personal experience or what?
Mike
Actually it is nothing more than perception.
People seem to think that the Iwata is a better airbrush since it is more money, but it is not.
Also, you cannot compare the Omni 4000 to the Eclipse HP-CS as they are not in the same category. The Badger 100LG would be in the same catagory as the HP-CS as far as design goes.
Since you are asking all these questions then maybe you can tell me why the Omni 4000 is not in the same category as the HP-CS? [:D]
Mike
Chrome, what else?
That is a subjective answer as I have heard one is stronger than the other and vise versa.
They use the same method, but needle centering is inconsequential to the performance anyhow.
The Omni as the Eclipse does not have a solvent resistant needle bearing from the factory. Maybe you could tell me what the Omni needle bearing is made from? [:D]
What do you mean by “easier”? They are both pretty easy to clean.
I don’t use swabs as they can leave lint in the airbrush. Use a paintbrush instead.
Not sure really. What does it matter?
Mike
I consider a .5 mm tip a benefit for more even and faster coverage of metal flake paint on car bodies and any other metal flake painted model I might do. If I were to do a scale metal flake speedboat paint job, I could use a .35 mm, but I’d rather use a .5 mm for the most overall paint layer.
A .5 mm tip gets a non-metallic scale auto gloss coat done with a lot less overlapping. It’s mostly straight across with larger coverage in each stroke. Less overlapping is fewer chances for error, a more level paint job for faster, even drying, and less finishing work in the Micromesh phase.
Yep, and the only experience I don’t have pertaining to this is that I don’t have an Omni. So, maybe an Omni 4000 user will come along and produce some straight answers.
I don’t see anyone saying Iwata is better because it costs more.
Or maybe no one cares what categories these are in? They’d rather hear the head-to-head comparisons rather than get the runaround.
It doesn’t have to be a swab. It can be one of those Badger dabbers that are like nylon q-tips or whatever they’re made of. Do you get a clear view and good cleaning access of a large section of needle from inside the color cup? I don’t have an Omni to look down inside of, but I can do this easily with the Iwata Eclipse.
Then buy a Badger Crescendo and really put out some paint. [;)]
I have an Omni 4000 and the HP-CS and the performance is practically the same in many ways. What do you want to know in particular?
That is not what I said. I said that people “perceive” it as better as it is higher priced.
If the category does not matter than how can you have a fair comparison?
You have to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges.
The Eclipse HP-CS has a micro-tip and the Omni 4000 does not, that in itself makes the HP-CS capable of slightly finer lines than the Omni. That is why I mentioned the Badger 100LG as being in the same category as it is also a micro-tip design.
What runaround is that? This subject has been discussed ad infinitum, ad nauseam and the fact still remains that the airbrush does not make the artist, and since everyone’s opinion varies this is a subjective question and not an objective one so there is no “better” one.
Mike
Yes, actually the Omni 4000 has a larger cavity in the bottom of the cup than the Eclipse.
Mike
At first, I felt that the redirection to the 100LG was a runaround taking the focus off the Omni 4000, but my second thought is that there’s no reason to exclude the 100LG. If it’s included there should be specs and details rather than mere categorical classifications.
So if I want to paint a crazy extremely sparkle paint job on the Mokeymobile GTO with a .5 mm tip, the Omni is no better than an Iwata Eclipse?
What specs and details do you want to know?
No. When I refer to “better” I am talking about quality.
You are talking about what is more suitable for the job at hand and that is where different airbrushes would be better suited depending on the need.
Mike
No one has pointed out yet that the one benefit I am emphasizing about Iwata Eclipse is that it raises the price of the Eclipse by about $18 to buy the .5 mm stuff for it. So there I am being fair about it. But the point is, it can be done without buying another airbrush for $70 or more. You get the ultra fine detail airbrush with its stock .35 mm tip, and no need to fork out more than $20 for a .5 mm option.