Hermann Goering Division sdkfz 251/22

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Does anyone have any reference material pertaining to the Hermann Goering divison fallschirm-panzer corp using sdkfz 251/22 D’s in the warsaw area. I would like to believe they did because it was a unit that got out fitted with new equipment and the fact that the Russians had a lot of tanks makes me think that this would be something good to have. Yet does anyone know for a fact that they did?

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Hi Tankluver:

There was a huge discussion on Network54 reagrding which units used the Sd.kfz 251/22, and in the end they compiled a list. According to that list - consisting of confirmed units -threre are NO indications that Fsch.Pz.Div. HG did use the vehicle.

/Tony

Here’s the full list and URL:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=153725&start=0

  1. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  2. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  3. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  4. Pz.Div. (conflicting evidence, use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 possible since early February 1945)
  5. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  6. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  7. Pz.Div. (Either Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 in use since January 1945)
  8. Pz.Div. (possible use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 since about March 1945)
  9. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since January 1945)
  10. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since January 1945, later Sd.Kfz. 251/9 conversions also possible)
  11. Pz.Div. (converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 in use since January 1945)
  12. Pz.Div./Pz.Div. FHH 2 (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  13. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  14. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since incorporation of Pz.Div. Jüterbog in March 1945)
  15. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since February 1945)
  16. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since February 1945)
  17. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  18. Pz.Div. (use of converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 since March 1945 possible, not 100% confirmed)
  19. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  20. Pz.Div. (use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 since January 1945 possible, not 100% confirmed)
  21. Pz.Div. (use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 possible since January 1945, confirmed since March 1945)
  22. Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
  23. Pz.Div. (use of converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 since February/March 1945 possible, not 100% confirmed)
    Pz.Lehr-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since March 1945)
    Fsch.Pz.Div. HG (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
    Pz.Div. FHH (1) (ex Pz.Gren.Div. FHH) (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
    Pz.Div. Jüterborg (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 received but division incorporated into 16. Pz.Div.)
    Pz.Div. Schlesien (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use February/March 1945, then incorporated into 18. Pz.Gren.Div.)
    Pz.Div. Müncheberg (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
    Pz.Div. Clausewitz (no concrete evidence found for use in April 1945 just a very vague possibility)

Führer-Begleit-Brig./Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since January 1945)
Führer-Grenadier-Brig./Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  1. Pz.Gren-Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  2. Pz.Gren-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since February 1945)

  3. Pz.Gren-Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  4. Pz.Gren.Div. ((Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since incorporation of Pz.Div. Schlesien at the end of March 1945)

  5. Pz.Gren-Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  6. Pz.Gren-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since early January 1945)

  7. Pz.Gren-Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  8. Pz.Gren-Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)Pz.Gren-Div. Grossdeutschland (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 in use since late December 1944)
    Pz.Gren-Div. Feldherrnhalle (see Pz.Div. Feldherrnhalle)
    Pz.Gren-Div. Brandenburg (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)
    Pz.Gren-Div. Kurmark (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  9. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  10. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  11. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  12. SS-Pol.Pz.Gren.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  13. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  14. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  15. SS-Pz.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  16. SS-Freiw.Pz.Gren.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  17. SS-Pz.Div. (Either Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 in use since February 1945)

  18. SS-Pz.Gren.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  19. SS-Pz.Gren.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

  20. SS-Freiw.Pz.Gren.Div. (no evidence for use of Sd.Kfz. 251/22 or converted Sd.Kfz. 251/9 found)

On average some 4 - 8 such vehicles in use per division, some had more some had less.

First division to actually report Sd.Kfz. 251/22 on hand was Pz.Gren.Div. GD on 30.12.1944.
Best equipped division was 19. Pz.Div. with 11 in 4./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 74, 4 in 4./Pz.A.A. 19 and 4 in 3./Pz.Pi.Btl. 19!

As far as I can tell no Sd.Kfz. 251/22 were issued to any independent ‘Heerestruppen’ units.

Martin Block
February 2008

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I just found the kit review for Dragons 251/22 and it has markings for an HG division but im not sure what area it was for

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The /22 didn’t enter service until Dec 44, so it wouldn’t have been in Warsaw. Don’t rely on kit markings to much, they are not always accurate.

bultenibo, interesting info. I have been trying to dcide which Div to assign my /22 to. That list will be a great help.

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Actually Bish, there was fighting in Warsaw in 1944, in which the Fallschirm-Panzer-Division HG was involved. In the fighting at the Weichsel Bend on Aug 3 1944, the III Soviet tank corps were defeated. Generaloberst Model stated in orders that it was thanks to the efforts of F-P-D HG that Warsaw could be held one more time.

I could find nothing about the Sdkz 215/22.

My references are from “The HG Panzer Division” by Alfred Otte published by Schiffer Military.

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I never realised that the HG were at Warsaw. But i was pointing out that the /22 didn’t enter service until some months after that battle.

But thanks for the info.

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Thank you all for the help, I am trying to get together the figure and vehicles together to start a diorama, its going to be around the outskirts of Warsaw where the Russians are attacking and the Viking and HG are holding positions with anti tank weapons.

On another note, I remember reading in Otto Carius book “Tigers in the Mud” that he witnessed Luftwaffe troops with brand new equipment get over ran, I suspect he was talking about a field division right?