Hellcat vs wildcat

Can someone explain the difference. I am getting confused. While doing this modeling and reading and history stuff for a few years, I thought I knew something. I now know I know very little! Confusion reigns!

Wildcat was the first monoplane fighter from Grumman, The second monoplane adopted by the Navy. It had a nine cylinder radial engine, and a narrow track landing gear. It fought the Japanese for the first 2 years of the war. The Hellcat was a major improvement on the Wildcat, with a 2 row, 18 cylinder P&W R-2800 engine. More powerful, it powered most of the radial engined fighters of WW2. The landing gear is wider, giving it better deck handling. It is larger than the Wildcat. It was easier to fly and land on Carriers than the Corsair, so Navy pilots ran up bigger scores because it went to sea earalier.

On the top is an F4F-4 Wildcat
On the bottom is an F6F-5 Hellcat

Great profiles. The only comment I have is that they appear to be the same length, when the Hellcat is actually a bit larger than the Wildcat.

Regards,

-Drew

The reason for the narrow track was that the Wildcat’s gear retracted into the fuselage. I also believe the Hellcat had 2 more guns.

Depends on which Wildcat variant you’re discussing :slight_smile:

Excellent (in my best Mr. Burns voice)!

That all being said- who makes the best kits of these in 48th and 72nd scale?

Hasegawa makes the best 1/48 scale Hellcat and Tamiya the best 1/48 Wildcat. The Hellcat is my favorite WWII fighter so naturally I’ve built a lot of them. Of all the different manufacturers that make 1/72 Hellcats I rate Italeri’s as the best. The kit is also in Revell’s catalogue, and it includes some very nice rocket stubs and rockets to go on them. I think the best Wildcat in 72 is Hasegawa’s. Also, I believe the early model Wildcats were the ones that had four 50 cals., and from the F4F-4 up had six like the Hellcat. The Wildcat is much smaller than a Hellcat, an has a rounder cross section.

Were they both built by Grumman, the hellcat to replace the Wildcat.

Secondly, where does the Bearcat fit in?

Yes they were all Grumman and the Bearcat (F8F) followed the Hellcat. The F7F Tigercat (twin engine and a very narrow fuselage) was sandwiched in between them. These were folowed by the F9F Panther/Cougar, the Cougar was a Panther with swept wings.

As soon as Grumman started getting large orders for the Avenger and the Hellcat, General Motors took over Wildcat production, building FM-1 and -2s. The FM-1 was the same as the F4F-4, but the FM-2 was a revised version featuring a newer more powerful engine and prop, taller tail fin, and exhausts. Grumman consulted many Naval aviators who had flown the Wildcat in combat and gathered a great deal of information on how to improve the Wildcat and come up with a design that could meet the Japanese on even terms. That’s why the Hellcat did so well. It was also simple, rugged, and easy to maintain and fly which is why it beat the Corsair into fleet service. More aces flew the Hellcat than any other type of aircraft (including the P-51!) and shot down more than any other type. The U.S.'s third highest scoring ace (and the Navy’s “top gun”), Captain David McCampbell flew the Hellcat and scored all of his kills in it. I was lucky enough to sit in a real one at the airshow here a couple of years ago. It was Lone Star Flight Museum’s bird in the markings of Lt. Alex Vraciu. I looove that airplane![:D]

I’ve seen that plane at the Lone Star Flight Museum! It’s an amazing place, well worth checking out if you can make it to Galveston. They have tons of great planes, and they’re all working models.

I’m an F-4u man myself, but I do love the Hellcat as well. It did everything pretty well, and nothing badly.

madda

I am just surprised that both these planes were so successful. Looking at them they appear to be beer kegs with wheels. The corsair is so sleek as is the P51 mustang. I guess the Thunderbolt to me is another enigma. A flying tub.

I think its the old “form follows function.” The Grummans were dependable and solid (“Grumman Iron Works”). Rotary engines were more servicable at sea. Two other manufacturers, however, produced sleek rotary engined aircraft. The Mitsubishi Zero & the Focke-Wulf 190 (w/ BMWs)

the first F4F Wildcats used the Pratt & Whitney “Twin Wasp” 14 cylinder R-1340 radial engine.

The Dash 3 had a non-folding wing and carried 6-.50 cal. MG,

The Dash 4 had a folding wing and carried 4-.50 cal. MG.

Pix,
Radial engines…Rotary engines were used on many First World War fighters
Ray

OOps . . .duh ! I hadn’t had enough coffee before I replied ! (at least YOU knew what I was trying to say !)

Betiobob, the F4F-4 had a third gun outboard of the wing fold

Nsclcctl, Grumman made F4F-3s and F4F-4s. Once Grumman was ready to begin the manufacture of F6Fs, General Motors began manufacturing F4F-4s and subsequent variants as FM-1s and FM-2s. In British service the F4F was called the Martlet before being renamed Wildcat.

Also, if you think the F4F looks like a beer keg, you should look at the Brewster F2A Buffalo!

Anyone who cares.
rotary engines revolved around their crankshafts.WW1
Teise

Sorry, I reversed the order.

Dash 3 had 4 - .50cal mg, and carried more ammo, thats why the fighter jocks prefered it over the dash 4 's folding wing and 6-.50 cal mg arrangement.