Hi guys,
Just starting a F-102a Delta Dagger in 1/48.
Its a Revell kit & i have a sneaking suspicion it’s a reboxed Monogram kit.
Can any of you guys tell me where i can get some cockpit /missile bay/wheel well,ect photo’s to help me build a good kit.
Im not one for after-market stuff & to be honest,at the moment i cant afford it (car to get thru it’s road (mot) test & that’ll cost!!!
Thanks guys,
Merv
Tis the same kit since Monogram and Revell are the same company. I don’t know of any aftermarket stuff, but check
www.squadron.com
and
www.greatmodels.com
John
helicopters don’t fly, they beat the air into submission
spike;
I used to work with a few fellows who worked the Duces in their day give me a couple of days the see what I could come up with, but from what I’ve seen (when I worked as a volenteer at Lowery AFB Historical Museum) the Duce there had a gray interior with black side panels and gray with black instruments on the instrument panel the seat was gray with red head rest and o d green cushions and black placards on the sides the catapult system was anodized aluminum (silver with clear yellow overcoat), the weapons bays are interior green FS 34151, as with the gear bays too but the gear was painted silver (Testors Aluminum is best) as most of the boxes in the bays are black or silver (depends on vender who repaired them {and weathering paint chipping off)and the hydraulic lines are silver, and wire harnesses are white,
I hope this will get you started for now and I’ll get back with you hopefully on monday
Give W a call and see what he remembers from his ANG days!
I am sure he will be eager to help.
Someone posted a pic of a wheel bay on here before with W i front. (I think it was here anyway). I can’t seem to find it though. [
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Detail and Scale has the best book on the F-102. It has lots of detail shots of the wheel wells, cockpit, and misssile bay.
The inside of the wheel wells, missile bay, drag chute compartment, speed brakes and all gear doors are chromate green. The missiles are gloss red from the wings back and gloss white forward of the wings. The impact fuses, on the leading edge of the missile wings, are flat white. The IR guided AIM-4’s are always loaded on the aft stations. The missile seaker head is royal blue ( that is the color that matches the glass). The radome on the radar guided AIM-4’s on the forward stations is flat white.
The nose gear door has a seal around it so the nose wheel well can be pressurized in flight. Paint it flat black.
Aircraft after 1960 had the tail hook and barrier probe installed. The cover around the probe is flat red. The hook had red stripes over ADC gray or was all ADC gray in color. In 1962 the “Gum Ball Machine” ( IR seaker head ) was installed forward of the wind shield. The forward part was the color of royal blue. The remainder was painted flat black. In 1964 the Data Link antennas were installed just aft of the tail hook on the tail cone.
The un painted part of the tail cone was steel forward part and titanium further back. The Monogram kit shows the seperation very well. The inside of the falses were always dis colored by the heat of the engines. Mix a few drops of blue to the titanium to show this effect.
If you have any more detailed questions, just ask. I worked on the F-102A from 1962-1967.
Wow, great descriptions. Thanks for bringing that up spike, Either the F-102 or F-106 are near the top of my to do list so this stuff will come in handy.
Bernie, I didn’t know you were a former Deuce doctor. I’ve always wondered: Why do we get that interesting paint pattern on the splitter plates of so many of these birds? I used to crawl around on the one they had pickled (waiting to make a gate guard of it) out at Ellington’s ANG base in Houston, but they had it painted all over Chromate Yellow on the outside, so I couldn’t get a good look-see at the subtlties of the splitter. Anything with a Delta Wing really gets my attention, especially all three Convair Deltas. Beautiful a/c.
BTW, if you do get around to putting some AM parts on your 102, Eduard just released their color set for this kit in December, as well as pre-cut masks for it using the new Tamiya tape masking. They also released the color cockpit fret alone in their budget ZOOM range. I have all of them and they look great. Now, if I could find the kit…I have an extra, um, well, um…(whisper) 1/48 F-15E sets (int and ext) or F/A-18D sets (all for HAS). Email lines are open.
Tom
Try Revell-Germany
John
helicopters don’t fly, they beat the air into submission
The famous photo of W was taken, according to two of his squadron mates of my acquaintance, on one of the rare weekends he showed up for drill, and shows him squatting in front of the extended armament rails with an AIM-4 round on the tarmac in front of him. In fact, most of his flying time with the Guard was in the T-33.
I’m sure you can still find the photo all over the internet. There’s also one of him getting some instruction while sitting in the cockpit of a Deuce. Shortly after W left, the 111th FIS transitioned to the F-101B, an example of which (actually, it’s a rare two-stick F-101F trainer, the B model, unlike all the Air Force Phantoms, having no back seat controls for the WSO) was also sitting out at Ellington in yellow chromate alongside the F-102. I don’t know what happened to these birds, but they were kept in great condition over their years out in the open, though without engines. I hope some museum got them, or perhaps they are still there for alI know.
Exactly 1000 F-102s were built, including the two seat versions (about 100 or so of them), and those remaining Deuces that weren’t shot up as drones were scrapped. Some went to the Turkish AF, the Greek AF and one other country I forget. Fortunately, many went to museums. Sure would be sweet to see one emerge on the warbird circuit. They used the quite common J-57 engine, so that would not be an impediment. Unfortuntely, most people consider the side-by-side trainer version to be butt-ugly. It was also subsonic, though most F-102 pilots considered all Deuces to be, in reality, subsonic a/c, despite what the PR said.
Tom
Actually, Tom, the F-102 was a supersonic aircraft. The first time I broke Mach was in the TF-102A on an aircrew qualification flight (StanEval). At 40,000 feet MSL, we unloaded (pull negative G’s), lit the burner and passed Mach. We hit Mach 1.1. Months later in the same aircraft on a FCF (functional check flight), we went Mach 1.21.
The single seat could break Mach straight and level. It was restricted to Mach 1.5 or 655 KTAS, which ever happened first. The restrictions were placed on it due to wing panels cracking. After so many hours of Mach speed, the wing panels had to be checked for cracks. The fastest speed I ever saw recorded on the F-102A was Mach 1.72. The pilot blew off the tanks in an attempt to intercept MIG’s that had just shot down a RB-47 over the North Sea. After returning, we found the wing panels had so many cracks in them, they had to be replaced.
The intake splitter plates were added early in the F-102’s life to smooth the air flow around the intake. At first, a short solid plate was used, which caused more air flow problems. The engineers just cut the splitter plate and added an aluminum plug which solved the problem. They went to the solid steel plate which they found was cracking due to flexing and expansion. They put the aluminum plug back on to act as an expansion joint. The zig zag shape was to aid in the expansion and to prevent cracking due to flexing. So now you have a steel spliter plate with an aluminum plug, which was always painted. A lot of times, they were painted in the squadron colors.
Thanks for all your help guys,It’s much appreciated.One thing i forgot to ask is about the front canopy.I notice there are 2 vertical “ribs” running down the perspex & i read somewhere there was blinds or screens fitted to sheild the pilot from the nuke going off.
Is that the case with this model (pardon the pun) or was thi a eirli jet.
merv
Thanks Bernie. I should have made it more clear that I was a) speaking about the subsonic thing from the perspective of one who never got near an airworthy F-102 and b) that my comments about it being subsonic were facetious, and based on my ANG friends, who began their careers in the Deuce in the 111th FIS and always badmouthed the plane (though I knew these three guys well enough to know that it was all macho fighter pilot bluster and they were in fact, quite sentimental about the first supersonic jet they soloed in.) All three came in with W – one of my friends was pushed back in the line so W could get in ahead of those who had been waiting years for a flying slot – and though all three admit they went in the guard to stay out of Vietnam, they stayed on, from the 102, to the F-101, to the F-4 (that’s how I got my first five hours in the back seat of that magnificent beast) and finally, all three of my buds retired as F-16 pilots. I’d say they had a pretty long and, with one of them taking “top gun” honors at William Tell one year, pretty distinguished careers, retiring as two lt. cols. and one a bull colonel. So I’d say those three “war wimps” wound up giving a pretty good slice of their lives to their country.
But, back to what Berny said, I had no idea a Deuce could do anything more than Mach 1.2 under ideal circumstances. Boy, was I wrong! And Berny, was the RF-47 incident that famous, long classified incident in which a crew led by a Maj. Palm (or was it Lt. Col.?) was actually shot down by a MiG 19 near the arctic circle? I recall reading that the co-pilot, who was also the gunner on the B-47, could not get a radar lock on the fighter because by the time he got to his gun station the MiG was too close for the radar to be effective (the B-47, uniquely, had a revolving ejection seat, mounted on a turntable, in the copilots station, and he had to rotate his seat before he could get to the radar screen that controlled the twin 20 mm cannon in the tail).
If I remember right, at least one of the crew survived, and that’s how we know about the inability to fire back at the MiG. And was this one of the super secret elint EB or RB-47’s with the “Raven Pod” mounted in the bomb bay, with its own crew that was sealed in, and had no way to egress a crippled plane?
Just curious, Berny, if you could shed some light on the incident, which has always fascinated me, being a B-47 brat. My dad, at the time a B-47 co-pilot, gave me a wooden prop from, I think, a Culver drone he shot down over Matagorda Island. It was maybe four feet in length, made of light colored laminated wood with red-painted tips. I could kill myself for, in my childish apathy, allowing it to become lost.
TOM
Tom
I was there when the two aircraft returned from the scramble less than twenty minutes later, out of fuel. One flamed out on the runway and one on the taxi way. I was there for the top secret de brief of the air crew and had to sign a statment stating I would never tell the full story. The official news release just said an un armed RB-47 was shot down by Russian MIG’s in international air space over the North Sea. That is the only staterment I can make.
Spike.
The windshield on the F-102 had a system called NESA which consisted of electrical heated wires sandwiched between the class panels to act as de icers for the wind shields. What you see is part of the NESA system. The pilot had dark visors on his helmet which he would pull down to protect against a nuclear blast. The big bombers (B-36, B-47. B-52, and B-58) had anti radiation curtains to shield from nuclear blast radiation. This may be what you are thinking about.