Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

[SchattenSpartan]

Thanks for posting that info, Joe! I should have a few red 1 decals around here somewhere with all those 190 kits in my stash…

[Nathan_T]

Hey Clemens: I think I have another pic of the D-11 red 4 that shows the tail…

[Nathan_T]

This is thought to be Red 4.

Here’s some closely related D-11s to help with your camo:

You can see many of these late birds had the tail extension plug left in aluminum.

[SchattenSpartan]

Thanks a lot for those pics! Is it just the lighting or are there really stripes on Red 4’s tail in that pic? It looks like it is striped to me at least…

[Nathan_T]

Striped mottle you mean?

[SchattenSpartan]

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. It’s very visible in the color profile I posted earlier.

[JOE_RIX]

PS… Sorry My Brother Joe R but … GO SEAHAWKS!

No need to apologize as I am rooting my butt off for the Seahawks as they are the wife’s team. We’ve been looking forward to a Bronco/Seahawk Super Bowl. And, Hell Yeah, We’re half way there.

[Rigidrider]

LOL!!! I was worried we wouldnt be able to be bros no more! LOL

Doug

[Nathan_T]

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. It’s very visible in the color profile I posted earlier.

I’m sure its safe to assume the port side tail camo looks identical to the starboard side I posted, as there are no pics of the port side tail and rudder. What I’m not sure about is how Jerry Crandall knows what type of canopy it had?? I suppose its just assumption it had the blown type as thats what most late war A/C sported??

[SchattenSpartan]

I don’t know about Jerry Crandall, but the 2nd pic in my post shows her with the headrest from the blown canopy. The author of my 190 “bible” is Peter Rodeike (it’s a German book) and the color profiles are either his own work or drawn by Claes Sundin.

[mustang1989]

What I’m not sure about is how Jerry Crandall knows what type of canopy it had??

Jerry Crandall knows everything!! lol

On a serious note though, this guy has put out two monster bibles/ volumes on the Dora. That kind of research to pull that off is pretty strong evidence that he knows what he’s talkin’ about.

[fantacmet]

+1 on that.

[FlyItLikeYouStoleIt]

Bill, to maybe help with your NMF question, From what I’ve read, As was with the most of the war (but more so towards the bitter end) the aircraft were never built nor assyembled at one point exclusively, and as the war turned against the Reich, a “Cottage Industry” mentality was relied on even moreso then ever in the past. Many of the components were mfg and shipped to an assy point by numerous points in germany. There are instances where Folks would assy instrument panels and related wireing in sheds and garages out side their homes.

Many of the underside NMF panels and wing sections were sent from their assy points in that way, because they just flat had no paint to put on them, and the upper surfaces were more important to be painted to try to conceal from the now marauding P-47s and P-51s, that had free orders to attack anything they felt was a target. In a nutshell I think thats why you see more NMF undersides. Not that it was desired, just a consaquence of the circumstance.

Doug

Thank you very much, Doug! That was the sort of thing I suspected. I love how a simple question can lead to some real education in here. Model building can be such a history lesson. It’s one of the points I make when justifying my love of the hobby to “others”.

Clemens: Thank you for posting those pics of that mostly NMF 190. That is a sweet looking bird and yes, it would be a great build.

[jugjunkie]

Quite correct Red 4 was originally White >58 (happens to be the one i’m doing). As >58 the tail extension was in fact BM and it may or may not have still been BM for awhile as Red 4, my opinion though is that when they converted it to Red 4 they would have converted her totally it woudn’t make sense to leave that piece BM.

[mustang1989]

Bill, to maybe help with your NMF question, From what I’ve read, As was with the most of the war (but more so towards the bitter end) the aircraft were never built nor assyembled at one point exclusively, and as the war turned against the Reich, a “Cottage Industry” mentality was relied on even moreso then ever in the past. Many of the components were mfg and shipped to an assy point by numerous points in germany. There are instances where Folks would assy instrument panels and related wireing in sheds and garages out side their homes.

Many of the underside NMF panels and wing sections were sent from their assy points in that way, because they just flat had no paint to put on them, and the upper surfaces were more important to be painted to try to conceal from the now marauding P-47s and P-51s, that had free orders to attack anything they felt was a target. In a nutshell I think thats why you see more NMF undersides. Not that it was desired, just a consaquence of the circumstance.

Doug

Thank you very much, Doug! That was the sort of thing I suspected. I love how a simple question can lead to some real education in here. Model building can be such a history lesson. It’s one of the points I make when justifying my love of the hobby to “others”.

Clemens: Thank you for posting those pics of that mostly NMF 190. That is a sweet looking bird and yes, it would be a great build.

Put me on the list of thanking both of these guys too for the information. I sure didn’t know that parts of the aircraft were assembled in residences!

[Nathan_T]

Quite correct Red 4 was originally White >58 (happens to be the one i’m doing). As >58 the tail extension was in fact BM and it may or may not have still been BM for awhile as Red 4, my opinion though is that when they converted it to Red 4 they would have converted her totally it woudn’t make sense to leave that piece BM.

If you look at the pic of red 4’s tail I posted, it still looks to be bare metal. It is for sure a different hue than the rest of the fuselage. Its hard to be 100% certain though.

[falconmod]

By the way guys, I’ll be going to the “Hope it Don’t Snow” model show in Rochester Minnesota on Feb 1st. I plan to show everything that I’ve finished in the past year: my Spitfire Mk IIb, Fw190A5, Speeder Bike, STAP (with droid if I finish him in time), and Dual .50 cal AA.

I was kind of surprised that the Rochester show isn’t in the list of “Events” in our forums here. It is sponsored by an IPMS club after all

Bill,

I’m planning on being there too. I’ve gone the last 2 years. I’ve got a S-3A viking, Albatros DIII, a couple for FW190’s. I had bigger plans for more stuff to bring but I didn’t finish all if it.

I’ll see ya there.

John

[SchattenSpartan]

Thanks for all your help, guys! I think I’ll go with the following:

• painted-over White “58>”
• striped mottling on the tail (it looks like it is striped in that photo)
• “blown” canopy
• bare metal fuselage extension

[SchattenSpartan]

Regarding the “cottage industry”:

Many aircraft produced in the last years of the war were assembled out of parts coming from a lot of those garage/basement workshops. The fuselages for the He 162 were built in a closed mine here in Austria for example…

[Rigidrider]

Even here in America during the war alot of “cottage industries” sprang up. Not so much as in Europe, but for example, There was a small shop a street behind the one I grew up on in Detroit, where my Grandma used to sew parachutes together for the war effort. Shoot… it wasnt much larger then a average sized auto repair garage. I wasnt around till about 8 yrs after the war ended, but I used to here the stories about both my grand dads working in the war plants, 1 at the Willow Run assy plant where Ford built the B-24s and 1 working at the Kaiser plant making trucks and jeeps and such. A terrible time indeed but still …

Doug