Looking for a good substitute for 1944 (Autumn) Dunkelgelb by Vallejo (Model Air). I hope Snapdragon looks in…I’m considering Ral 8000 as a good match for this time period. Vallejo’s current Ral 7028 (71.025) is actually Nach Muster (timeframe Kursk '43) and not a true Ral 7028.
Thank you
Why not PM Snapdragon with your question?
Good point, didn’t think of that!
Is there usch a thing as a true RAL 7028. This topic has been talked about for eyars, the idea that there was more than one shade of DY certainly pre dates Jame’s ‘findings’. Keep in mind that the 44 version of 7028 was introduced in Oct/Nov 44 so you may want to go for the 43 version if you vehicle was being use din the autumn of 44.
Personally, i use one shade of DY and darken it a bit here or a bit there. I recall one artuicle i read years ago about a 251 being restored and they found 7 shades of DY on it.
PM answered.
I reproduce it here so other modellers may benefit.
to cover the D-Day Landings until after the Caen then there were two seperate shades depending on the vehicles age. New Vehicles from May’44 had this base coat
The DAK alternative is RAL 8000 VMA 71.272
Older vehicles would have the previous variant
DAK RAL 7027 VMA 71.118
This was noted by allied army intelligence that there were two seperate shades with the newer and “brighter” (RAL8000) seen on Panthers and heavy armour arriving at the front. 21 Panzer had the previous base shade until new vehicles arrived to replace losses (Pz IV)
Things didn’t change until January 1945 but the last variant of RAL 7028 was trialled in Hungary during operation Panzerfaust in October 1944 by a few Tiger II tanks from the 503. you can see this in photos taken that the base coat had changed to the green and the tanks look decidedly darker. Ignore the “colourised” pics and stay with the original B&W.
The Base Coat changed to RAL 6003 Green and the last variant of 7028 was used as disruptive camo.
DAK RAK 7008 VMA 71.116
Until Vallejo get around to releasing the proper stuff then this is the closest and I personally think that very late war some of these would have been used as substitutes due to shortages etc. There’s no proof as yet.
We just have to wait until things “normalise”
Thank you! Appreciate the time to help us modelers out. Been building and finishing Grrman tanks for 45 yrs (started then with old Tamiya kits)…things have come a very long way.
I will send an email to Vallejo asking for status of their new Dunkelgel/Ral 7028 line. I’ll report back when a response is received.
Greetings:
…my lighting mislead me…under incandescent lighting, Vallejo’s primer is closer to Dunkelgelb nach Muster than Ral 7028…