B-36 Peacemaker Group Build

Hi everyone, I`m going to be starting a B-36 Peacemaker GB in couple of weeks, and wanted to invite anyone who would be interested in participating.

Since this is a large build, there will be some modifications on the process vs your typical GB paramenters:

  1. There is no official time frame other than the start date: December 1, 2011. This GB will be ongoing with no official end date - if there ever is one.

  2. There are no parameters or restrictions on the models. They can be any scale, any manufacture, scratch build of any type or of any material. Models can can range from 0% to already 100% complete. Models currently in other GBs or were used in previous GBs are allowed as well.

  3. Everyone is invited to participate. If you dont plan on building, have built, or just have an interest in these planes, you are cordially invited to share your insite and knowledge! :slight_smile:

The pre-start chat can be found in the Airplane Forum at:

/forums/t/142612.aspx

With that being said…

If you have one of these in your closet collecting dust and keep telling yourself you will build it “someday”, now`s the time for that someday.

As much as I would like to join, I have too much on my plate. Besides where would I put it when I finish a 72nd scale one? Its bad enough I have a Tu-95 Bear in that scale!!! Anyway, good luck, I may reconsider it next year[:D]

Thank you.

That’s a great attitude, because I for 1 would never ever build another. Kind of like a bad bicycle.

But it’s a great piece of history, and served very well to keep Ivan at bay.

There’s all kinds of stories from that era, my dad was working at SFO in the early fifties. One flew in for a static display and he and the other engineers went out a half hour before the scheduled landing. Here she came but a little civil job cut in ahead on the pattern. B-36 went to full power missed approach, they could feel the blast on their chests from about about 1/2 mile ahead of the approaching aircraft

You could hang it in such a way to make it look like it shot down that bear. [:P]

The build will be ongoing with no specific end date as I am sure most everyone who participates will take quite a bit of time to finish. Feel free to join in at any time if you change your mind. [:D]

What a great idea, dogfighting bombers!!! Now I will definetly need to buy a warehouse to store all my stuff, and live in!!! I am sick of my place, getting too crowded[:P]

Its now Dec 1, and were officially open!

Other than have fun, learn a little history, and share in some interesting builds, here are the official rules:

Since this is a large build, there will be some modifications on the process vs your typical GB paramenters:

  1. There is no official time frame other than the start date: December 1, 2011. This GB will be ongoing with no official end date - if there ever is one.

  2. There are no parameters or restrictions on the models. They can be any scale, any manufacture, scratch build of any type or of any material. Models can can range from 0% to already 100% complete. Models currently in other GBs or were used in previous GBs are allowed as well.

  3. Everyone is invited to participate. If you dont plan on building, have built, or just have an interest in these planes, you are cordially invited to share your insite and knowledge!

Official Badges are as follows, feel free to copy and resize as needed:

Here is some research materials for those interested.

First is the videos.

To learn about the development and the push for production of the long range intercontential bomber of the late 1930s into the WW2, the best summary is done by Walt Disneys: Victory Through Airpower

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paY6y87rrpE&feature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ4VAhThpNY&feature=related

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfxlOS08UNc&feature=related

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsHklxrR1Y&feature=related

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JizFp2pb8&feature=related

Part 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmQQayP1H_s&feature=related

Part 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxofaUhd7Y&feature=related

Part 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlr_HnLV2C4&feature=related

Part 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaFkqhGggc&feature=related

Part 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuVkYtOy-1U&feature=related

For B-36 specific development, Convair B-36 Peacemaker, is probablly one of the best out there that is free of cost on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmG5uTVvS2c

Also, the feature newsreel from 1949: Target - Peace!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL89Rf2fYwo&feature=related

From 1955: Stragtegic Air Command with Jimmy Stewart if you can get a copy, or watch on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faztvu3w5AM&feature=related

For Books, these two are the essentials:

Magnesium Overcast: The Story of the Convair B-36 by Dennis R. Jenkins

This also has a pictural supplement as well:

B-36 Photo Scrapbook

And this book: B-36 In Detail & Scale by Wayne Wachsmuth

Some other books - which are available free online are:

Squadron Signal Aircraft No 42 B-36 in Action

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51639302/Squadron-Signal-Aircraft-No-42-B-36-in-Action

Convair B-36 Peacemaker a Photo Chronicle, by Meyers K. Jacobsen

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52188705/Convair-B-36-Peacemaker-a-Photo-Chronicle

That should be enough info for the first day. LOL

In a couple of days, I`ll go over the various 1/72 kits ( which I am familiar with ), with some pointers on how to buy/sell them on ebay. Hopefully someone else familiar with the 1/188 & 1/144 kits will lend what they know about them.

For the “as long as the sandwiches last” crowd, a few interesting things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Air_Force_Base

The northernmost SAC base.

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/0-base-homepage2.htm

I’m working on my list of one-time refueling fields in the northern territories, more on that soon.

Minicraft made a series of 1/144 models that are IMO the better representations of the aircraft. In particular the B.

I would REALLY like to build this someday:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36

Would that count for this GB since it was technically a B36 airframe?

It’s still a looooong ways off for me, but if this has no end date, I plan to do it.

IMO of course it would. There’s a couple of adequate plan drawings in the jenkins book.

Another possibility is the XC-99.

Bondo-

Thanks for the info! Aside from the small amount on Wikipedia and other websites, I have found very little about the plane. Is it the Magnesium Overcast or the Photoscrapbook one?

Also, I thought the Jimmy Stewart movie featured B47s, not B36s. Or is it both? Never actually seen it.

Thanks

Hi Sub Revolution,

To answer your questions, the best book I have seen to date about the XC-99 & the proposed airline versions of it ( but never built ) was: Warbird Tech Series`s Vol. 24, Convair B-36 “Peacemaker” also by Dennis R. Jenkins

It can be a bit pricey new, but can be had almost for a song and a dance used on Amazon or ebay.

http://www.amazon.com/Convair-B-36-Peacemaker-Warbird-Tech/dp/1580070191

Also see the end of Part 1 and begining of Part 2 of Convair B-36 peacemaker for some video of the XC-99. After running out of use, the XC was litterally parked and abandoned for nearly 50 years. Today it is undergoing full restoration at the National Museum of the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, OH

As for your other question. In Strategic Air Command Jimmy Stewart also flies B-36s and if memory serves me correct later transfers to B-47s. Here is the scene where he is simply an observer on his first B-36 flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruE8yhkHke8

As for the NB-36, an online friend of mine also makes the aftermarket kits to convert a stock kit at: click2detail.com

1:44

http://click2detail.com/products-details.php?pro_id=246

1/72

http://click2detail.com/products-details.php?pro_id=51

He said he would be joining us later with his XB-36 & NB-36 conversion builds.

It`s looking like I am going to be pressed for time for the next few weeks due to this being the busy season at work, and thought I would go ahead and punch this one out since this will be one of my last days off before the fun at work begins.

Today I will be covering the various 1/72 kits through Revell/Monogram since I am most familiar with them. Hopefully others with experience on the 1/188 & 1/144 scales will chime in on their expeience with them. Also, I`ll cover how to buy/sell the 1/72 kit on ebay to help others whom cannot find this locally get a kit at a reasonable price, and tips to help those whom decide to sell theirs to maximise the profit margin.

For a good history about the various model kits since the early 1950`s the best resource out there is this book:

It can be a bit pricey if purchased “new” from a place that still has them, but with a little looking buying used on ebay or amazon brings a significant savings. I purchased mine on ebay for $15 & free shipping.

In 1980, Monogram release the first issue of its current 1/72 offering. Though it wasnt the first manufacturer to offer 1/72, the marketing line used at the time was " The LARGEST plastic scale model airplane kit ever produced! ". This would be a title it held for several years until the 1:48 B-1 kit was released. Also, used in advertisements of the era was the “great buy” this rather large kit was as it was only $15 at your local retailer or hobby store.

The Box Art was adequate:

And it came with a basic set of decals

Soon thereafter a few companies began to produce some aftermarket parts for this kit – esp decals so one was not limited to just a stock build.

In 1989, the second release was released with a new box art, but a new decal sheet ( same as 1991 ).

This kit though not the best for the person whom actually wants to build it, is perhaps the best to sell on ebay- esp if it is still enclosed in the shrink wrap. It always seems to draw a higher price than the 1980 kit unless the 1980 kit is in far better condition. Consesquently, those looking to buy a kit should not engage in a bidding war for this kit unless they like to spend too much money.

In 1991, the third release followed with a carry over on the decals

In 1997, the fourth release was marketed as a Revell/Monogram and came in two offerings with the same box art with decal offerings standard to both `97 kits

Though both kits were identical, the only difference was in box size. Here is a picture of my collection of both kits to illustrate the size difference:

In 2002, Revell Germany released perhaps the best 1/72 kit to date simply because the decal sheet finally included the walkway and other common marking stripes saving the consumer another $15-$20 USD from buying this sheet aftermarket. This kit usually costs a little more, but is worth it due to the savings in having to buy that extra sheet.

Finally, In 2008, the most current kit was release with new box art and a new decal sheet that DID NOT include the walkway stripes and misc commom B-36 markings.

Now that the various kits are covered, lets cover the aspects of aquiring on ebay should your local stores be sold out and unable to get any through their suppliers. Here are some pointers. All prices in USD

  1. An online dealer with a kit in stock ( if you are lucky to find one ) is going to want around $49.95 +/- $10 and around $20 +/ $5 for shipping. Most online dealers selling will likely have either the 97 or 08 kits

  2. An online dealer selling "vintage kits " ( 80 & 89`s ) will want between $75-$200 for theirs. Dont waste your time as there are better deals to be had on ebay competing with them for those kits and the various others that will be on there as well.

  3. Pictures tell a 1000 words ( and the story ) always look at the pictures displayed closely

  4. ALWAYS read the ad in its entirety before bidding. You dont want to buy someone else`s half started scrap set do you? Look for kits with ALOT of pictures, if there arent many pictures and the box doesnt appear to still have the factory shrink wrap intact… .ask the seller questions about the kit

So now you have decided to look on ebay and watch for the best deal.

  1. Just like poker, dont play your best hand at first. Someone will always be willing to spend a little more than you. Patience is key, and waiting until the last few minutes is best.

  2. Look for kits ended at odd times to reduce the chance that someone else will be waiting in the wings the last few minutes as well. By odd times I mean those times when most people are at work or spending family time. Ebay ( in the US ) is set to Pacific time. Keep that time change in mind when looking to bid. Ive noticed that kits set to end on sundays before most people get out of church or away from the families are often the best ones to snatch up at a bargain.

  3. Always search with differnent search terms: B-36 Peacemaker, Convair B-36, Monogram B-36… and most importantly look for #3a

3 A. These days a lot of people are selling their stuff through a reseller. The ebay reseller will often simply use the title on the box of the item being offered which is a boon for you as most people dont search this one: RB-36H Peacemaker Monogram ( or Revell ). Ive snatched up three kits relatively cheap with this trick. The first 2 I only paid $20 because nobody else knew the listing was there. Here is the example of the Third where I paid a little more for an `08 kit, because someone else figured out the trick, but still got it under the $29 price I wanted to pay.

Here is the listing, Notice it is now < 4 minutes to go and nobody has bid with the starting bid still at $20. As you will notice as you look around on ebay and watch the auctions for these kits by this time the bidding war has already started and is in full effect. However since the reseller listed it as a " RB-36H Peacemaker Monogram Airplane Kit " nobody has seen it yet. I know I dont want to pay more than $29 for this, so I make my opening bid of $21 and wait until the last minute to make my move.

At this time I will go over how I buy kits on ebay. Before bidding I put a price in my head of the most I am willing to pay with the price of shipping being offered by the seller. In this case It`s only $9.99 via UPS, which is rather reasonable seeing most auctions tend to be around $15. On this one I decided I only wanted to spend $29 tops. I placed my opening bid of $21 as the first bidder with < 4 min to go. At this time, if someone else already had the price up ( or over ) the price I had in mind… I would simply walk away.

Now comes the next step… How to beat those other potential pesky “other bidders”. Im at $21... the listing in this case was still $20.... I know $29 is my max.... I go back in and up my bid to $25 with 45 seconds to go thinking nobody else is on this ( as I thought )... I place $25 stil expecting it to say $20 and nope.. it say $23.55 - We have a competitor and its game on. In this case most bidders will start to increase in slow upward increments. If you find yourself trailing, now would be a good time to put all your cards on the table and place you maximum bid, In my case I know I am ahead ( right now ) and the other bidder is either likely the seller trying to increase the price, or a 9/10 chance they will only likely go up a few dollars to try and beat me at the end…

At 28 seconds… I upped my bid to $27… sell price increased to $25.50 – I beat him again!

Im not done... Im still winning. At this time if its the seller, they most likely will back off, another bidder is probablly going to up it a couple of dollars… around 15 seconds on the counter I plance my maximum bid of $29 to wait and see, and…

Success!

I beat the other bidder because I felt they would only go up a few dollars at a time ( and guessed right ). Always if you are trailing in the last minute… bid your max to see if you can overtake the high bidder.

Looking at the other end. Let`s say you have a kit that you want to sell on ebay.

  1. If the kit is still in shrink wrap — DO NOT OPEN IT! Insead take several pictures of the box at differnt angles ( sides ) to show the box`s condition with intact wrap… Intact wrap = more $$

  2. Use the broadest generic title and search time such as B-36 Peacemaker. Dont make the $20+ mistake resellers do by listing it as a “RB-36 peacemaker Monogram”. Myself ( and now a few others ) will be happy to buy it cheaply from you. :wink:

  3. Sell it at the right time. Ensure the ending time is between 9 & 10Pm Pacific time. This way everyone looking in the eastern time zones will see your listing as well. Thursday & Sunday nights at 9/10Pm Pacific seem to be the difference between $27.70 & $40+

  4. Pictures! Pictures! Pictures! When you think you have enough… take 3 more. display the most ebay will let you. If the kit is open and still on the trees… Take pictures of every tree

  5. Be honest… Dont call your kit pristine when it isnt. Even broken/Started kits also have a market on ebay by those looking for a started kit or ones just for the spare parts value… sell those at the suggested times for maximum price

  6. Shipping… Average charge on ebay is around $15. Be aware that the US Post Office Considers this to be an “Oversized Package” by about 2 inches. Expect to pay $12-$15 in actual cost to ship it to the buyer ( more if its overseas or in a distant zone. UPS for mainland US Shipping for this box is about $7-$12 pending rate class & distance.

That covers the basics of the kit and ebay selling and buying… Post me a question on here if you have any about this subject

You’ll want to see it. Most of the movie is in and around B-36’s, quite a bit and some beautiful inflight sequences.

B-47 figures in at the end, and also I believe a KC-97. Also toss in F-84s, C-47,s, a C-97 and glory be, a great sequence with C-124s being loaded with spare engines and taxi-ing away. In that one, look for the spotter standing up in the opened nav dome.

Agreed!

This movie can also be difficult to find in the US as only one supplier sells it in DVD format. Lots of places to buy it in VHS though. I checked and TCM doesnt have a planned airing anytime soon. Hopefuly that will change, and I`ll post on here should they every schedule it to be aired

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/4246/Strategic-Air-Command/

By request, a copy of a PM I wrote regarding old decals and Testor’s decal bonder:

You might want to consider re-sizing the badges in your siggy… Or just using the thumbnails… The ones you have on there right now are forcing me to use the slider-bar to even begin to read any of the posts…

This is the thumbnail… Might have to re-do the lettering too, to make easier to read in this size…

Okay, guys, here’s where mine has been for the past few years…

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Given the experimenting I’ll be doing on the bomb bay, I doubt I’ll be able to get this done by the time we’ll be moving in the summer. At this point, I plan on getting this down from the shelf and the easily-lost parts in some containers. I’ll also get to work on some sub-assemblies ( props, crew areas, etc. ) here pretty soon with the idea being to have the small stuff and maybe some bay work done before the move, and be ready to get the big stuff done after the move.

After more than 10 years, I finally looked in the box. As I said, this was a free kit given to me by someone who’d decided 20 years collecting dust on his shelf was enough time to decide he wouldn’t be building it.

Apparently, he had considered it, though, and not put the instructions back in the box.

On top of that, of the 6 props this thing’s supposed to have, there are only 5 that I could find, and 2 of those are broken.

So, even if I hadn’t originally intended to do a little customizing, I’ll be doing it now. I’ll have to check in more detail once I get a set of instructions to make sure that there are no more parts missing, but worst -case scenario I see is gear up and doors open will be the plan with the old clear styrene disks painted for the blurry pinning props look.

But, hey, this kind of fun is what this hobby’s all about, right?

Is there going to be a list of participants on the front page?

Hello again Kugai,

I can help you on all 3.

1.) The instructions… I looked online for the instructions, and they are not there unless you want to pay for them. The only 1980 kit I have is still factory shrink wrap sealed, and that`s how its going to stay as I let it age like a fine wine and climb in re-sale vale! lol However, I am in negotiations with a scrap kit, that is a 1980 kit, and I would be more than happy to stick that in an evelope and mail it too you. Also, if I dont win that I have several 1997 kits to which I can send one of those if it comes to that. The only thing that should be different is the decal application…

2.) I have 2 extra props as one of my builds ( the 36/58 combo ) only requires 4, and would be more than happy to send you one. Plus I`ll have 6 more if I manage to get that “scrap” kit at the right price.

3.) The broken prop… You are going to have to construct some sort of jig to hold that thing in place while you glue that broken blade(s) back on until the glue dries and it sits. Ive purchased 8 kits in the last year and only one of the them has ever arrived with all 6 props intact… It was a 2008 relase btw. I have another 08 in route that will be here next week, if that arrrive intact then well know its true that Monogram used a better plastic composit blend for kit molding. The plastic looks a little different color wise when you compare the parts out ofthe box of an 08 to any of the previously released versions.

Let me know on the instructions and blade

John