A Trivial Pursuit...

Alrighty, in another thread I put forth a trivia question which hasn’t received much of a response. Maybe we’ll have better luck here…

Here’s the deal, I put an aviation-related trivia question out for all to ponder. The first person to answer correctly has to put out another bit of trivia and so on. Before you pose the next question, however… you must wait for verification that your answer is correct.

First question:

There have been several US Naval Aviation units which can lay claim to the name of ‘Jolly Rogers’ and to the skull and crossbones emblem, otherwise known as a ‘jolly roger’.

What units were/are they, what aircraft types were operated by these units and which of those types is the only one not known to have ever carried the Jolly Roger emblem?

You needn’t give specific aircraft types for each specific unit in order to be correct, but you may do so if you wish.

No email replies please, all answers can go into this thread.

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Wow steve. I have to go do some research now. Great first trivia question.

hmmmm…I can think of 4 diiferent air frames that carried the jollie rodgers insignia and 2 different units… must go double check myself beforea complete answer

Good question steve

wow… ok, I’ve found a treasure trove of info, but my brain’s too scrambled right now to put it all together coherently.

Attempt #2

Unit designation
VF-17 F4U-1A, F4U-4
VF-5B F4U-4, F6F-5P (Two of em)
VF-61 F4U-4, F8F, F9F-2,5,6,8, FJ-3, F3H-2M
VF-84 F8U-2, F-4B/J/N/S, F-14A
VF-103 F-14B
VFA-103 F/A-18F

Served on:

USS Bunker Hill
USS Hornet
USS Valley Forge
USS F.D. Roosevelt
USS Lake Champlain
USS Intrepid
USS Forrestal
USS Independence
USS Nimitz
USS Theodore Roosevelt
USS Enterprise
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower
USS George Washington
USS John F. Kennedy

Squadron was commissioned on 1 January 1943 and has been in existence for the entire time since then, with only the squadron designation changing. .

As to which type never flew with the Jolly Roger? Wayne’s right. The F8U-2.

My attempt:

VF 17 F4U
VF 5B F4U-4, F6F-5P
VF 61 F4U-4, F8F-2, F9F-2, F9F-6, F9F-8, FJ-3, F3H-2M
VF 84 F8U, F4B,J,N, F14A
VF 103 F14, F/A18F

My guess is the F8U never carried the skull and crossbones. I won’t attempt the carriers/ bases, as there are a whole lot.

Jon and Wayne you are both close… Wayne is missing just one piece of the puzzle. It’s what might be considered by some (not me!) to be minor, but nonetheless… [;)]

Jon, you’ve got a few pieces to find yet. I’m tempted to say what’s missing from both of your answers but I’m gonna let you fellas work it out on your own.

I’m glad a few of you folks seem to like this idea, by the way…

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VF-103 flew F-14B’s off the USS Enterprise(CVN-65) on it’s 1996 Med cruise, on at least one plane near Christmas the cross-bones were replaced by candy cane’s and the skull had a Santa hat

I think it was just one jet that had these markings… dunno fersher…


USN Photo

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ok, changed my answer a bit. Think I found what you were lookin fer, Steve

Okay , starting with the latest and going backwards

VF-103/VFA 103: F-14A and B, F/A 18F

VF -84 : (took the jolly rodger emblem in 1960) F8U-2 Crusader, F-4B, F-4J, F-14A

VF61/VF-5B/VF-17 F4U-4 Corsair, Recce Hellcats F6F-5P, F8F-2 Bearcat, F9F-2 Cougar, Fh-1 Phantom, F2H Banshee, F3H-2M Demon

Methinks the only airframe that didn’t carry the skull and bones is the Fh-1 Phantom. It’s service career was extremely short.

BlackWolf, you never cease to amaze me, I mention one a/c and you post the picture, thanks

No prob guy… I aim to please!

Anyhoo, looks like Jon, the Cobrahistorian, is the first to give a fully correct answer to the question as asked, although Wayne Baker was OHHHH so close.

Neither of you got the aircraft assignments 100% correct (as far as I know, that is) but that’s A-O-K, it wasn’t really required.

Here’s what I was looking for…

The units:

VF-17
VF-5B
VF-61
VF-84
VF-103
VFA-103

The aircraft flown by these units:

F4U Corsair
F6F Hellcat
F8F Bearcat
F9F Panther
F9F Cougar
FJ Fury
F3H Demon
F8U Crusader
F-4 Phantom
F-14 Tomcat
F/A-18 Super Hornet

There were two squadrons with the designation VF-17; the second was established after the original VF-17 was disestablished and took a while to adopt the Jolly Roger nonclemature, but eventually did fully embrace the skull and crossbones.

The first VF-17, the original Jolly Rogers led by Tom Blackburn, flew the F4U Corsair. The second VF-17 flew the F4U Corsair, the F6F Hellcat and the F8F Bearcat. The F8F was used only briefly and a full conversion never took place.

The second VF-17 was then redesignated VF-5B in November of 1946 and primarily flew the Corsair, although they also had a couple recce Hellcats.

The unit was once more redesignated as VF-61 in July 1948 and converted, this time fully, from the Corsair to the F8F Bearcat. The unit subsequently flew the F9F Panther, F9F Cougar, FJ Fury and, finally, the F3H Demon. The unit was to have converted to the F8U Crusader but was disestablished in April of 1959.

Many of VF-61’s aircrew, including the CO, went to VF-84 that same month. VF-84 was at that time flying the Crusader and named the ‘Vagabonds’, but adopted the name ‘Jolly Rogers’ and flew the pirate’s ensign until being disestablished in October of 1995. In addition to the Crusader, VF-84 also flew the F-4 Phantom and the F-14 Tomcat. VF-84’s Tomcats are perhaps the most widely recognized aircraft in the world, by enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts alike… even today.

VF-103, formerly known as the ‘Sluggers’, picked up the flag and has held it ever since. In 2004 the unit began conversion from the F-14 to the F/A-18 Super Hornet and with that conversion came another designation change… to VFA-103.

The only aircraft flown by any ‘Jolly Rogers’ squadron which has not been documented as having worn the Jolly Roger itself is the F8U/F-8 Crusader. VF-84’s Crusaders kept the flame markings of the ‘Vagabonds’.

Wibhi2, you had most of it right. However, the FD/FH Phantom was flown by VF-17A, which is not the same unit as either of the two VF-17s. VF-17A was formerly designated VF-82 and later redesignated VF-171. So the Phantom was never flown by any Jolly Rogers squadron.

Here’s a great site on the ‘Jolly Rogers’…

The Bones of the Jolly Rogers

Okay, Jon… your turn…

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Awesome! Ok, it is currently 0530. Gimme a few hours to deal with PT, etc. and I’ll have a good one for everyone!

Great idea!
Bloody horrible question for answering in Australia!
Dai

OK,

Keeping in the vein of Naval Aviation, my question deals with the USN in the ETO during WWII. It isn’t overly difficult, but like Blackwolf, I’m looking for precision.

The November 1942 invasion of North Africa was largest amphibious assault yet undertaken by the Allies. During the operation, air cover could not be provided by American land-based aircraft, so the invasion fleet that departed the US in late October brought its own. Name the carriers that carried them, the FIGHTER squadrons embarked and the types of aircraft carried. Bonus points if you can name the high-scoring squadron of the operation.

Well, I got the VF-103 part correct at least. I did the first seven weeks of Big E’s '96 Med Cruise with them. I’ve got a black t-shirt with the skull and crossbone, one of my favorites!

I love this stuff.

The North Africa landings were Operation Torch. The Americans made up the Western Landing Force. Task Force 34 included 5 carriers:

U.S.S. Ranger CV4 with VF-9 (27 F4F-4) VF-41 (27F4F-4), (18 SBD-3) (1 TBF-1) 3 L-4

U.S.S. Sangamon ACV26 with VGF-26 (12 F4F-4) VGS-26 (9 SBD-3 9 TBF-1)

U.S.S. Suwannee ACV27 with VGF-27 (11 F4F-4) VGF-28 (12 F4F- 4)
VGS-27 (9 TBF-1) VGS-30 (6 F4F-4)

U.S.S. Santee ACV29 with VGF-29 (14 F4F-4) VGS-29 ( 9 SBD-3 8 TBF-1)

U.S.S. Chenango ACV28 with 76 P-40F

U.S. losses were 23 F4F’s, 9 SBD’s, 7 TBF’s

claimed 1 or 2 British, 25 French

VF-9 claimed the most.

Well that was easy!

I was at least hoping someone’d have a LITTLE difficulty with the Chenango’s “air group”!

Ok Wayne, your baby!

The Navy was looking for a new carrier on-board delivery a/c. So they tried a C-130. What was the date of the first landing, carrier name, a/c bureau number and total number of times the wheels touched the deck?

I read about this…

On 30 Oct 1963, KC-130F, BuNo 149798 made 29 Touch and gos and 21 full stop landins with 21 take offs on the CVA-59 USS Forrestal.

Kurt