I’m still working on my Trumpeter A-10 in Pre-LASTE DS markings. I’m trying to determine the color of paint that would have been used in the area where the flaps are. In otherwords, when the flaps are extended, you have a large open exposed area that would have to have been painted. I assume the aircraft is painted completly with one of the camo colors, then the other colors are added. My thought is that area would have been painted the first camo color.
I don’t have many pictures of that area and the only ones I do are wearing the modern grey colors. Needless to say, that area is grey. [:D]
Bones;
Sorry for the wait, well the flap bays are Flat Black, when I helped do a dual wing change on 79-0118 back in 2002, I had to switch the wiring harnesses in the aft wings because of a mod that we where doing at the time and earlier mods that where done on this plane but had not on this set of wings, due to they where right out of ARMC (Davis-Monthan AFB’s bone yard) and they where still Euro I Scheme, and both Ghost & Euro’s flap wells where painted Ft Black, but the area above the flaps on the top wing half is the camo scheme used as a rule of thumb just paint the area forward of bottom edge of flap well to the top and the rest is camo colors, or from the wing’s trailing egde st the flap to the exact position on the bottom of the top wing is black
Ok, if you’re sitting under the flap and someone extends the flap back, the area directly above your head is camoed while the inner bay itself is black?
If so, did they actually extend the flaps back to contiune the camo pattern under the flap?
Okay,
if you start at the bottom of the wing, where the flaps begin and the wing ends, from that spot forward is Ft Black, but above the flaps on the bottom of the upper wing, above the flap while they are retracted this area is in the camo scheme,
or when the wing is assembled without the flaps installed, take a exacto knife and score the inner upper wing from the trailing edge (also use the trailing edge as a guide to seperate the Ft Black from Camo) of the bottom wing at the flap to wing junction, this area forward is black, the area aft of the scribed line is camo
Boy you guys/gals can streach the limits of a peosons knowledge on a subject to the breaking point! That’s a good thing because I lean something everytime I try to answer one of your questions. [8D]
To be honest I don’t know the color off the top of my head but, I didn’t think it was flat black. I thought it was the “base” color of the scheme, which in this case would be dark green but Kuda you may be right. I have to go to the hangar today anyway so I will see if we have any wings from AMARC (for the SLEP1 program) that I can take a look at.
Well, if you were under the aircraft looking straight up, I don’t think you could see the black. I think you’d have to look into the well itself to see the black. Am I right, Cuda?
pretty much so, and it’s hard to see back there when the flaps are installed but in DICE’s case he’s able to just go to the corner and take a peek at a wing or 2 just laying around, also I helped on A/C 79-0117 when the old unit had a MISHAP back in March 2003 just prior to being deployed 2 of our best pilots had a midair, one plane just had the left wing tip damaged and the other had it’s LITENING II pod destroyed, and the right wing was bent beyond limits so we got the planes ready for a wing replacement but we got the call and was sent off but the remaining crew finished it off so all I did was pull the harnesses down but that’s about all (both planes had both wings replaced, the N.O. plane had old style wings (thin skinned) while the K.C. plane had the thick skinned wings and the #'s where so close we thought that both had thick skinned ones installed)
from what I can remember Fairchild-Republic is still in business but they are now a sub-contractor for aircraft parts but most of their aircraft rights had been sold to Lockheed-Martin so now L-M is now the major owner of the A-10’s now just like the F-16’s with G.D.
Well I looked at 5 wings yesterday and the inside of the flap wells is green but, it’s such a dark green it was hard for me to tell the differance between green and flat black. If I had not been looking just to determine the color I would have said flat black right of the bat. So there you go, at any scale I would say either flat black or a very dark geen would work.
Fairchild-Republic was “taken over” by Nortrop Grumman (NG) and they own all the “rights” (drawings/data) to the A-10. Lockhhed Martin is the “prime contractor” which means the Air Frorce (with-out getting to far into the weeds) must go through them for support, upgrades, and sustainment of the Hawg.
As far as parts go, there are a number of ways we get what we need. One, we make them ourselves here at depot using the original fixtures used to build the A-10 in the first place. two, we can go “off base” and contract the part(s) to be made by local industry (mostly simple items). Three, if we have no fixture we can reverse-engineer the part on or off base. four, We can go to NG to have them build it using the original drawings/data. Five, if all else fails, or it’s to expensive, or we need the part today, we can go to the jets in AMARC.
The above is very simple and there are other options but, these are the ones used most often and all the above are used to get what we need.
I knew F/R didn’t go to Lockheed-Martin and why did I put that down? but I know that L-M has the prime updates for the “C” version because I have a L-M calender with a couple of Hawg’s in it (that’s most likely why I said L-M owns it), I guess the Turkish air is making my brain go screwy