WW2 missiles

Lets just say that History Channel ain’t what it used to be… It has its moments, but…

The United States Navy had an air to surface missile or actually guide bomb.

Meet the BAT:

airandspace.si.edu/…/artifact.cfm

Tiny Tim:

http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19660030000

Luftwaffe test aam:

http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19710765000

Gargoyle:

http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19740642000

About 15 minutes at the Air space museum web site.

Right. I think what we are talking about here and what I meant when I asked the question, is the military definition. One could throw a rock and correctly call that a missile, but I meant in the context of military aircraft.

It seems in that context, a Maverick is a missile, while an HVAR is a rocket.

Actually, the term rocket means a type of propulsion. It can be an adjective as in rocket propelled vehicle. English has a tendency to make nouns out of other figures of speech, so the word by itself can mean the above phrase. So in the loosest sense of the word, missile can mean any object traveling through the air, whether propelled by a motive force or merely by its momentum, or by gravity. Usually when speaking of a weapon or vehicle, it means unmanned.

One other thing about English, there is no official organization that rules on correct usage, unlike for French or a few other languages. So there is no right or wrong meaning of a word. Just in my lifetime I have seen the common meanings of many words change drastically! Of course, I have lived for over three quarters of a century, so I have been around for awhile :slight_smile:

Well, here’s the thing:

AGM-65 stands for Air to Ground Missile (Model 65). AIM-9 stands for Air Intercept Missile (Model 9).

HVAR stands for High Velocity Aerial Rocket. FFAR stands for Folding-Fin Aerial Rocket . Rocket is a noun here. All the above are rocket powered.

Essentially we are talking about US military nomenclature, not literal definitions. The same folks who describe the M551 Sheridan as an Airborne Armored Reconnisence Vehicle, and not a light tank. In general US military vernacular rockets are unguided rocket projectiles while missiles are rocket or jet powered guided projectiles. And of course a few “glide bomb” types also fall into the AGM/missile category as well.

Follow this link to the golden land of designation systems:

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/missiles.html

Mr Parsch usually doesn’t miss things.

But, he doesn’t have any listing for the HPAG carried by aircraft such as the Banhsee and Panther, and A-1 Skyraiders. (HPAG=High Performance Air to Ground rocket)

You said you didn’t want to wade through a 50 page pdf…but how about a 250+ page pdf :wink:

I didn’t figure anything I could add to this discussion, most everybody knows more than I. just thought I’d share this link to a source I used extensively in a research paper I did on precision strike weapons and how they fit into the concept of RMA this past spring. Though it only has a couple pages on WWII guided munitions (had to read actual books on those) if anybody is interested in the further development it’s an interesting, though definitely not exhaustive, source.

www.csbaonline.org/…/six-decades-of-guided-munitions-and-battle-networks-progress-and-prospects

Another link to an event that happened during World War II with regards to operational guided munitions…

http://rohnasurvivors.org

Well this could always devolve into a discussion on their colors and paint schemes…

There are a few huge honkin’ Mil-Specs and TOs to cover that aspect, Stik.

But, I am sort of getting a rep as a “boring old guy” concerning colors,so, I will just mention them and not quote them.

I will mention that there are some pretty good decal sheets in the three main aircraft scales that have really good painting guides to go with them.

Rex

Well, I believe in the old saying, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. So when I was in the military, I used military definitions. I have long been out of the military, so no longer feel compelled to. So when watching ships on the Great Lakes, I will frequently call them ore boats, although that drives my ex-Navy friends crazy. Of course, the Navy still talks about giant submarines as boats. Oh well, as long as everyone understands what we mean when talking to each other.

A similar thing still bothers me. The word “jet” now seems to be a synonym for aircraft, even aircraft propelled by propellers!

Similarly, I’m bothered whenever I see any pistol, even a semi-auto, referred to as a “revolver”. [8-)]

and remember folks, a “gun” is a crew served weapon… This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun…

Yes, I am just stirring the pot… we really need that emoticon here… Cybermodeler has many of those TOs on their site in the reference section… love 'em!!! great for the little details.

It is too bad that FSM doesn’t have provisions for stand alone web pages such as Cybermodeler has. Just think of all the reference pages we could pop up for newbies and some “oldbies” to use when they want some info. In a static format, it could be much easier to either read and use,or ignore if it is more info than what someone wants.

As it is, every time one of us types out a list of resources on another site,or a large (boring to some) post,it just scrolls away, out of sight and out of mind.

(Cybermodeler’s paint pages were my “go to” for my paint color searches after being burned by buying paints according to a couple of other sites)

Rex