what is denatured alcohol for?

Being both organic solvents, would adding ethanol to MeoH be risky as a “fix” to the Methanol poisioning? Sounds slightly medevil.
15mL sounds about right, we used to “homebrew” out in Saudi, the way it was tested was to burn some in a spoon, see what colour it was and what if anything was left after the flame went out. Still met a few people who could not see properly the next day(hence the term “blind drunk” btw)
40L wine will cause you to drone long before you go blind,lol

“In order to reduce the need for strict control and heavy taxation on industrially produced ethanol, the alcohol is denatured. Denaturing is a process of adding other compounds to the ethanol to render it unfit for consumption. Denaturants are selected to give the ethanol a disagreeable taste or odor and in some cases a distinctive color. In some cases the substances added are toxic and produce gastric disturbances upon ingestion and/or other unpleasant symptoms. A large number of different “denaturants” are utilized dependent upon the use for which the ethanol is intended. These denaturants include methyl isobutyl ketone, pyronate, kerosene, acetone, turpentine, amyl alcohol, methyl alcohol, and various butyl alcohols. In some cases more than one denaturant is utilized.”

Hence my comment about the bad tempered hangover[:D]
They tend to use similar compounds that are added to most household chemical, the idea is to stop children drinking bleach and other nasty stuff as found in your average kitchen.
I believe “no bite” has the same additives, the nail stuff that stops you bitting nails as it makes them taste gross.

Wow! This is getting deep! CKF-you’re right, the site I visited also had this to say: Poisoning with methanol may be accidental or intentional. There have been epidemics of methanol toxicity in cases where illicit whiskey has been sold to large populations or when the less expensive methanol was substituted for ethanol in drinks.

Most alcoholic beverages do not have methanol in them. Methanol is transformed in the body into formic acid, which is transformed into formaldehyde, which is also not good for you. In cases of methanol poisoning, ethanol is given as a treatment, but it does not strictly block the adsorption of methanol. What really happens is that ethanol and methanol are undergoing the same basic chemical reaction (change of alchol to aldehyde)… in adding ethanol, you’re basically setting up a competing reaction and hoping that more of the ethanol is metabolized than methanol.

Ok, just discovered why thats working, but the metabolic rates need to be monitored or you could very well induce Ethanol poisoning instead,lol

Wow! Getting drunk is sooo complex. And never argue metabolizing with a bio-engineer!!

Now who’s being a smart…[;)]
Metabanomics is a subject that is still open to some interpritation, a lot is known, but every time an answer is found, so are two more questions,lol

Getting drunk is easy, it’s the recovery thats confusing as hell[xx(]

Yeah-I’ve been recovering for 20 years now (I was a late-onset drinker).

I can’t add anything to the above learned technical discussion about the chemical makeup of denatured alcohol. My understanding has always been that it’s extremely dangerous stuff to drink, and I’ve never felt any inclination to do so. Any time I’ve had a can of it in the house I’ve kept it locked up.

It does have an excellent use in traditional ship model building: it’s the standard thinner/solvent for shellac. Shellac has been around for centuries, and many modelers and woodworkers think of it as obsolete. The truth is that it’s an excellent, versatile wood finish. It is, in fact, undergoing something of a rebirth in popularity among woodworkers at the moment. Shellac is reasonably easy to apply, doesn’t cost much, and can produce a beautiful finish. (It’s also relatively non-toxic, once the denatured alcohol has evaporated. As I understand it, shellac isn’t approved for eating utensils but is approved for furniture that’s going to be used around kids.) Purist woodworkers in fact make their own shellac, buying it in the form of flakes that are diluted to the desired working consistency with denatured alcohol.

My main interest is relatively small-scale sailing ship models. Whenever I make a deck (usually out of either basswood or holly planks) I give it a light coat of stain, then a coat of shellac - diluted almost beyond recognition with denatured alcohol. The resulting finish is almost invisible, but does a great job of settling any wood grain and (most important) protecting the deck planks from any paint or other nastiness that gets spilled on them.

For such things as display cases and baseboards, shellac makes a fine, simply-applied finish. It’s currently available in several tints (white, amber, and “button,” or brown), all of which give slightly different casts to the wood. It can be applied with a natural, synthetic, or foam brush, and dries within a few minutes. Several coats of shellac can be applied in one work day, and will produce a finish that’s hard to beat in terms of appearance. (It’s not as durable as modern polyurethane or clear lacquer, but in modeling applications that may not be particularly relevant.)

Another important feature of shellac is that it’s reversible. Regardless of how long it’s been on the wood, shellac can, almost without exception, be removed by rubbing the surface with a rag that’s been soaked in denatured alcohol. This attribute is especially important in restoration work. Shellac was a common furniture (and ship model) finish in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Many such pieces have “alligatored” - the shellac has gotten dirty and scaley. I’ve seen examples of old shellac that’s turned a disgusting, gritty black. A quick wipe with denatured alcohol makes it look almost like new. And because shellac is reversible, professional conservators generally approve of it as a finish for old, valuable artifacts.

A few years ago I got hired to restore some ship models for the U.S. Coast Guard Museum. One of them was a nice old model of a nineteenth-century revenue cutter. The bottom of its hull was painted copper, with some sort of clear, gloss finish on it. The paint was in fine shape, but the clear gloss had “crackled” - there were hairline cracks all over it. I puzzled for some time over what to do about this; the finish certainly looked like clear lacquer or varnish. Without thinking it would have any effect, but intending to rule out the least radical approach first, I wiped the hull gently with a rag soaked in denatured alcohol. I was pretty surprised when the “crackling” instantly disappeared, leaving a beautiful, shiny copper hull.

Yes, denatured alcohol has its uses. Just don’t drink it.

Jt-Shella is great here’s some info (it’s bug parts):
Shellac is an animal product. The basic material comes from the Coccus lacca, a scale insect that feeds on certain trees in India and southern Asia. After feeding, the insect produces through its pores a gummy substance which hardens into a protective covering called lac. This lac is collected and then it is crushed, washed and dried. After further treatment, it is skillfully drawn into thin sheets of finished shellac. Many products such as phonograph records, sealing wax, fireworks, and electrical insulators and instruments have shellac in their composition. When mixed with alcohol, shellac forms ordinary varnish.
Soon after the scale insect is hatched, it leaves its birthplace and begins to wander about, looking for a likely place to settle down. It finds this place at last upon a stem or a leaf or the outside of a fruit. It inserts its sharp little beak in the tissue and then settles down for a lifetime of sucking at this particular spot.

It is soon covered by a substance that it secretes or gives forth from its body - a substance that in certain species looks like wax, in others like cotton, in still others like powder. The growing insect sheds one skin after another; these skins form a rounded little scale, held in place by the secreted substance.

Well, I haven’t been drinking denatured alcohol, but that bug comment was enough to make me sick! You guys will have to hold on, I left my doctoral degree in my other pants, I think my wife just washed it! Argh!

I just had to chime in on this facinating discussion…It is my first post though…

Bruce