I got an email saying my figure thread was moved, but clicking on the link it goes nowhere. Now, reading through the rules, I do not think I’ve violated anything, since I can look through the history of forum and see that other’s have posted nudity - and without any warnings.
I’d like an explanation. If the content I am posting is breaking some sort of rule, please let me know. Seems a little rude to just move/delete the thread without any sort of explanation, and if this is how this place is run, I guess I’m better off posting elsewhere. Thanks!
The link I was given in the email: /forums/893851/ShowPost.aspx
Edit; I was emailed and told that my thread wasn’t “family friendly”
I wonder how “family friendly” the depiction of war, soliders pointing weapons, war machines such as planes, tanks, railguns and other such weaponary whose sole purpose of existance is to destroy and kill things, of dioramas with dead soliders. I see a double standard. Oh well, guess I’ll just post elsewhere.
This is an ongoing problem with several forums. I had heard that fsm had changed since last year, when I was kicked for using “verdamnt” in a post. Maybe it is still for kindergarteners? ModelingMadness, Swanny’s, and the rest give no grief.
Hopefully, this was done my a moderator in error, and will be put back up. It’s plastic people, and big suprise, women have nipples !
I’ve displayed much more blatant nudity as well as others at the past year’s Nationals. Sad to see how much violence is favored over something completely non violent. “Family friendly enviornment” = Pure uninhibited hyprocricy.
I often wonder what the ratio of folks here that are younger than 16 to those that are 16 and older, that regularaly post and read.
You would think that these forums, where probably 99% of the membership are adults, would have have a PG-13 rating instead of the G rating that seems to be the rule of thumb from the current management… [:-^]
And as others of said, these are not the only forums available to the modeling community. [zzz]
Sorry, what I meant was that the idea of a “family friendly enviornment” HERE, with all the pictures of soliders, war machines, guns, historical figures that have done horrific things to other human beings, etc. That such things are allowed within the realm of the “family friendly environment” bubble, yet a figure with slight nudity and sexiness is not.
Plus the idea that model building is a family oriented event is utterly laughable. Sure, there are occasional model building folk who bring along their family members to shows and meetings, but the vast majority of model builders are adult males. I just felt the use of “family friendly environment” as an excuse to remove my post was insulting and absolutely hypocritical.
I read the rules, I do not think I broke anything. And if these things are such a gray area. I highly recommend that the admins add the following text to their rules:
“Its ok for you to post up violence, machines of violence, men of violence, but please do not post any nudity, or anything that can possibly be considered sexual, because this is a family friendly enviornment.”
Well, I saw your thread, and while I personally wasn’t offended by it, the rules of the forum are clear:
1. We restrict any language that inhibits any other user from using and enjoying the reader forums. Transmission of any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane, or indecent information of any kind, including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate any local, state, national, or international law will not be tolerated.
I don’t necessarily agree with the rules, but as I’m not in a position to alter them, I make my choice about whether or not I can live within them. It is up to the admins of these forums to decide what those words mean, and how to apply them.
Freedom of speech is often debated on this forums, about whether or not people can discuss certain subjects or post certain pictures, but freedom of speech doesn’t apply here. This is a private forum, and one you must register to be able to post. It is up to each individual to decide if they can, or cannot, live within the posted rules.
There are other modeling forums out there, and while I would deplore you leaving because of this issue, I would be able to understand your reasons for leaving.
As the Administrator of a VERY busy forum myself, with a membership of 17,000 worldwide, I can state with some experience that nearly all forum rules dictate that disputes with a Mod/Admin’s decisions and actions be handled privately via Email or Personal Message, NOT posted publicly as was done here.
I’d suggest that you follow that path for maximum results.
I’d put that at a so-so…17,000 (yawn) or not. If no one knows about the problems, they just continue, don’t they?
Some forums make rules that are privately odd to me, but there you go. To each his or her own, I suppose. I just had hoped that fsm had grown out of the pc b.s.
Posting publicly however is not only a great way to stimulate discussion (as long as it remains civil) but also a way to get clarification for those “gray” areas of the forum rules.
So let’s think about this for a minute. What would be considered indecent? A nude or semi-nude figure being posted in the figures forum? Would a picture of the statue “David” be considered taboo? Many of the greatest works of art (sculpture, paintings, mosaics) depict nude or semi-nude figures. Nudity in itself is not a bad or “indecent” thing. Depicting sex acts is another story entirely and would clearly be inappropriate for this site.
Like I said before, it seems that this forum is managed to the guidlines of a “G” rated kiddie movie (which to our loss is their perogative), even though that really isn’t the target audience. I’d be willing to bet if you look at the demographics of this site that the vast majority are 30+. PG-13 would be a better guideline in my opinion.
If the few kids on this site want to see nudity they can easily find millions of indecent things to look at online… I hardly think a plastic figure in the figures forum is going to bring about the end of western civilization as we know it. [(-D] [XX]
Hmm… I was in the middle of writing a reply, and looked back on the thread for reference, and saw what espins1 posted, so yeah, I have nothing
But I will add that I find it absolutely funny that one is free to post up figures of Adolf Hitler, and that it is not offensive. Because we all know how family friendly good old Adolf was, just as the Franks, on nevermind. But slight nudity is absolutey offensive. Curious.
Was your post the one with the anime figure? The ridiculous thing is that you had the foresight to post a link, and not pictures of your subject. This of course warns people who may be offended by the subject matter. Considering the many other nude figures that aren’t deleted, this does seem kind of ridiculous.
BTW, I liked your work and thought it was interesting and cool how the anime style was rendered into a 3-D model. And I loved the inclusion of the transformer. Perhaps the admin did not like that part so much, but I though it was absolutely hilarious!
Your “mine is bigger than yours” reply is quite a sophomoric rebuke to what was an absolutely legitimate statement of fact on my part.
I’ll refrain from commenting on the site advertised in your signature line, even though tit for tat seems to be the course this conversation is headed.
I think the only problem with your analysis is that a kid, specifically an under-age boy with healthy hormones, will not heed the warning, but for curiosity’s sake follow the link, all the quicker when it warns of female nudity! Now what? You’ve just opened the door for a kid to see softcore fantasy pornography in all its 3-D glory! Let’s not kid ourselves with any misconceptions about how a nudie figurine in fishnets, bare hind quarters, lifting her top and shaking her goods is somehow classified as “art”. That’s like saying a pole dancer is equal in artistry to a ballet dancer. It’s also degrading to women. (And if you don’t agree, just replace the figurine’s head with a likeness of your wife, your mother, or your 18-year-old daughter, then you just might see things in a totally different light.)
Don’t get me wrong, I can see that the guy who put the thing together did a skillful job of assembly and painting, shading, etc., but the subject matter, like most icons of smut, reduces women to a man’s wet-dream-fantasy-plaything. Shows just how far we, as a society, have come!
I have seen many instances where a sculpture, a photograph, or a painting of the nude female form actually glorifies the human female body. But these crass and tasteless resin kits do not. What’s the difference? They mainly portray women as having no class or dignity. Some even venture into the realm of bondage and other weird stuff.
I’m not against the freedom to view whatever one pleases (so long as it’s not illegal), but this is after all a family-friendly site, and I think it was just a bad choice to post fantasy nudie stuff here, where kids do hang out.
The other problem with your comments was that someone did in fact post some final photos directly in the Forum, rather than to a outside linked remote location.
But it’s completely fine to post up machines of war, whose sole purpose is to destroy people and things. It is perfectly fine to post up a model of Adolf Hitler, because he was such a wonderfully family friendly icon. Violence is good, sex is bad right?
It is a model, it is a figure kit. If you feel that it is tasteless, that’s completely in your right, it is your own opinion. But where is the outrage against the Clint Eastwood and the noose? Against depiction of the horrors of war. No, again, violence is perfectly fine here. The “portrayal” of the destruction of human lives is perfectly “family friendly”.
Do you know for a fact that many kids do hang out here? You have got to be kidding me. Most folks reading these boards are adults that build models, with the occasional exception of a youth. Oh no, we must protect the youths from smut, but violence towards your fellow man is perfectly fine. Am I translating this correctly?
Hmm… /forums/808116/ShowPost.aspx ← looks like much more nudity than what I posted is posted here. Yet no there are no complaints.
Just admit that there is a blatant double standard with it comes to what is considered morally right, and what is considered family friendly. A figure responsible for mass genocide is family friendly; dioramas depicting destruction and dead soliders is family friendly; yet the slightest nudity is not. The mere notion that this is a family friendly site is utter hyprocricy.
I love all the violence, the horrors of war, big giant machines crushing helpless humans, and I enjoy the nudity. But to make a claim that one is worse than the other, is ludricous.
All of which is your opinion, and is not shared by the people who administer and provide these forums. Their roof, their rules. They are not subject to your opinion, and you get to vote only with your feet.
As I said before, I wasn’t personally offended, but I can understand how people could be. Your argument sounds valid to you, but you are making the mistake of comparing history, no matter how violent, with “art”. It’s an oddity of the US, IMHO.
As for “proof” that kids hang out here, there are many member who allow their children to see “what Daddy and his friends” do, just as there are many members of teenage years. Many of them have beliefs that are obviously different from yours, and more in line with the administrators of this forum.
You started your thread with a warning and provided a link, then you directly posted pictures. At one point you thought that a warning and a link would be necessary, why is that?
You were provided with a link to a website that would be more open to your figure work, which was VERY GOOD. This is just not the forum for it. I quite agree that it’s hypocrisy, but I don’t set the rules, only choose whether or not I can live within them. Otherwise door is to my left.
I hope that you aren’t further upset by this post. My intent is not to anger you, but to provide you with an option and a choice.
As a casual observer to this thread I’m amazed it has generated so much debate. I’ve had a nude" Seven of Nine" figure for some time and don’t post pictures of it on any forum out of respect for others. There is obviously a titillation factor that surounds this figure of the Borg Babe, so I respect the community and desires of the board owner. When I have posted any pictures of the figure model I always censor them on my own. Some of the arguments here are specious at best. Hilter is a historical figure and there are lessons to be learned from his rise and fall. Violence: there’s more violence on television, in movies and video games than I have ever seen here. It seems that some are comparing apples and oranges. How is the restriction on nudity PC? That seems to be more of a conservative thing than a PC thing. If it’s that important to show pictures of the figure, then why not just do so in a way that respects the board rules and the viewers of the board? I think the word is compromise. If there are other forums that allow posting of such things then why not post there? Why attempt to force an issue that is obviously going no where? I doubt the board owners are going to chance the rules to accomodate one thread and one poster.
Here is what I really think this honestly boils down to.
FSM is not and has not in the past been ( I am a longtime subscriber with issues giong back to #1) an anime-freindly place. I remember reading in the readers comments section years ago after the first gundam wing buildup /detail article appeared (April 2000?) someone wrote that there was no place for this in FSM.
C. you and I have talked about this off the boards in the past, about how some venues are accepting and others simply aren’t. I have been told at shows I cannot enter my anime fig because it is a “family freindly” show but sitting right there on the table is the Elven Archer with less clothing than the entry I was going to put in! I find it is pretty much the same here.
keep my anime posts pretty much to the forums where they are not only understood, but also taken in context for what they are. I see no degredation in this. My wife loves to helps pick out which figure is next and I have my sister in law hooked on building 1/6 resin girls. They certianly don’t see it as degrading!
C. keep on posting, or at least give the guys here the option to head to your showcase. The argument that a kid would link to it is moot since your personal site is open to the public and anyone with a simple google search would find it anyway! I have searched figures and found your galleries in google images so I already know it can and has happened (case in point your fantastic Drow). This same argument popped up on hobbyfanatics a while back and considering what that forum is, it sure seemed out of place there.
Now this has me motiviated to finish my next fig from Armor Hunter!
