True paint sceme for Jolly Roger???

I’ve had an interest in pirate and pirate ships for a long time. Most pirate ships were stolen and they probably didn’t care too much about maintance or what the ship looked like as long as it didn’t sink. Most hauls of that era were black with a trim color. I would go with a worn weathered look and some battle damage, perhaps with some minor repairs. From what I’ve read many, if not most of the ships were modified to carry more guns. Often times they were re-rigged for additional sails. Pirates prefered ships with a shallow draft and a flat and fairly clear deck.

I do like the Jolly Rodger. It seems to fit what an early pirate ship would look like. There’s a few pictures on the internet of the ship used in “Goonies”. I think that has the look of what pirate ship should look like, but “Pirates of the Carrabean” might give you a better referance for colors.

http://www.pbase.com/sharpy/image/29599005

http://www.kipar.org/piratical-resources/pirate-carib-guide.html

http://pirateshold.buccaneersoft.com/index.php

http://www.freewebs.com/dforecastle99/Pictures/Ships/victory.jpg

When adding guns to a pirate ship, remember they installed a load of swivel guns and smaller bored cannons, and fewer large cannons. The guns were for disabling the target and crew, not sinking it. If you have the oppotunity to catch the “real Carribean Pirates” on the History Channel I would recommend watching it. It is very informative on the crews and ships of a pirate fleet and entertaining as well.

I did see part of the special, but i think they really over played the idea that cannon fire would sink their prey. Remember it was actually very rare for a wooden ship to sink that way. The average merchant man would carry a minimum crew, so the large pirate crew would naturally try to carry by boarding. Even Black Beard attempted to board, without realizing he was actually outmanned. Only the large men-o war mounted big guns, so gun size on pirate ships was naturally limited to what was available.

I built La Flora last year and did much of the research you’ve seen in these threads. A 36 gun frigate with a crew of nearly 300 was really much bigger than even Queen Anne’s Revenge. If you want a pirate ship pick a little brig, schooner, or sloop. Built this La Flora as the French scout chasing the British off New England.

Captain

Enters the American Revolutionary War

The disastrous English defeat at Saratoga in 1777 was followed by war in 1778 with . had already given private help to the American privateers and to their forces in the field. The rupture came in March when the British ambassador, Lord Stormont, was recalled from , but actual conflict did not take place until July.

Neither fleet was ready for service but the French were somewhat more ready. On the 13th of April a squadron of twelve sail of the line and four frigates was dispatched, under the command of the Comte d’Estaing, from Toulon to . As no attempt was made to stop him in the Straits of Gibraltar, he passed them on the 16th of May, and though the rawness of his crews and his own error in wasting time in pursuit of prizes delayed his passage, he reached the mouth of the Delaware on the 8th of July unopposed.

The French fleet arrived off the entrance to Narragansett Bay on July 29, 1778, setting the stage for a combined French-American attack on . On August 4 and 5, two of d’Estaing’s ships ran the West Passage and rounded the northern end of . On August 8, the main body of the French fleet, led by d’Estaing’s flagship, , ran the East Passage under fire from British batteries and anchored off . Having already evacuated , Major General Sir Robert Pigot, the British commander, began to withdraw his forces from the northern part of Aquidneck Island back to the lines around in anticipation of a siege. The forcing of the Narragansett channel resulted in the complete destruction of the British fleet of 6 frigates (Grand Duke, 40 guns, Orpheus, Lark, Juno, Flora, each 32 guns, and Cerberus, 28 guns), 3 corvettes, 220 guns and the corvette Sengal, and a bomb ketch, to prevent their capture by the French and To hinder the movement of the French fleet. Then on August 9, Admiral Howe’s fleet, reinforced by four vessels, appeared before the entrance to the main channel. The next day, taking advantage of a favorable wind extremely rare at that time of year, D’Estaing cut his anchor lines and stood out to sea. The two fleets maneuvered for two days, each trying to gain the advantage over the other. On July 12 gale winds scattered the ships. Skirmishes occurred later between isolated vessels of the two fleets, but Howe escaped and on July 20 D’Estaing’s fleet, which had not weathered the storm too well, dropped anchor off . Meanwhile Admiral Byron had arrived in with a fleet of 13 vessels. This alarming news was brought to D’Estaing by the Marquis de La Favette, who boarded the flagship as soon as it was ready to receive visitors. D’Estaing’s fleet was therefore obliged to leave General Sullivan and the American troops to go to for supplies and repair work. The American general, rendered vulnerable by this decision, was nevertheless able to extricate himself and withdraw his men and artillery without great loss. The light frigate La Flore returned to in December, 1778 with dispatches from d’Estaing’s squadron which remained on the western side of the .

French Frigate La Flora, Scouting for Comte de Grasse off , sights a detachment of the English Fleet anchored in , July 29, 1778.

La Flore was part of the squadron under d’Estaing that forced the British to scuttle several ships at in August, 1778. La Flore returned to in December, 1778 with dispatches from d’Estaing’s squadron which remained on the western side of the . She served in the until she was taken out of service in 1787.

La Flora, 1768 until 1787, was a typical light frigate of the19th Century. She had a 125 feet long gun deck, a total length of 180 feet and was 600 tons burden. Her rating was 26 guns, but she actually carried 30 eight pound and 6 four pound long guns. Her crew was 11 officers and 196 men. The term “frigate” in the seventeenth century indicating a ship that was faster than usual. In the age of sail, it referred to a ship smaller and faster than a battleship, used for scouting, patrolling, and escort work rather than fighting fleet actions. The classic sailing frigate can be traced back to French developments in the second quarter of the 18th century. These ships were full rigged and carried all their main guns on a single gun deck. The lower deck, where the crew lived, carried no armament and near the waterline. The sailing frigates were able to fight with all their guns when the seas were so rough that comparable two-deckers had to close the gun-ports on their lower decks. They sailed very well and were good fighting vessels due to a combination of long hulls and low upper works compared to vessels of comparable size and firepower.

Paul Hunter 2006

The proper identity of the ship represented by the Lindberg kit is a matter of some controversy. It was originally issued under the name La Flore. It seems to have been based on a well-known model, which somehow ended up in the private collection of John F. Kennedy. (The kit appeared initially in the late 1960s. A traveling exhibition of the Kennedy ship model collection made the rounds of several maritime museums at about that time; I remember seeing it when I was in high school. I suppose it’s possible that interest in that exhibition was a factor in making Lindberg choose that rather obscure ship for a kit subject.)

Several French frigates of the late eighteenth century were named La Flore. One of them did indeed get captured by the British and renamed H.M.S*. Flora*; she played a rather prominent role in the American Revolution. That, however, is not the ship represented by the Lindberg kit. There’s a series of four paintings, believed to be by Francis Holman, in the Peabody-Essex Museum of Salem, Massachusetts. They depict the well-known fight of July, 1777, between the American squadron of John Manley and the British one of Sir George Collier, in which the Continental frigates Hancock and Boston were captured. (I got interested in all this some years ago, when I was working on a model of the Hancock.) The art historians think the paintings were commissioned by the captain of the Flora, John Brisbane. The ship in the paintings clearly is not the one depicted by the Kennedy model - or the Lindberg kit.

French naval history enthusiasts have spent quite a bit of time trying to sort out the histories of the various ships named La Flore. (I think Jean Boudriot, the reigning expert on the subject, wrote an article about the subject for Model Shipwright some years back. I’ll see if I can find it.) Some experts seem to think that the old model on which the Lindberg kit is based does not in fact represent an actual ship, but rather a proposed design for one. Beyond that recollection I’d better shut up, lest I get out of my depth.

At any rate, for its age the Lindberg kit isn’t bad. Neither is the Lindberg Wappen von Hamburg, which was released at about the same time (and is currently being marketed under the ridiculous name “Captain Kidd”). Serious modelers need to remember that all these piratical names for plastic ship model kits are just marketing ploys. I wonder what the designers of the original kits - if those individuals are still among us - think of such stunts.