The post-apocalyptic tank-wagon... a work in progress

Hello everyone! I’m a long-time lurker, first-time poster here. I’ve learned a huge amount from reading this forum and watching you guys at work, so when I started work on the Post-Apocalyptic Tank Wagon I thought I should jump in and be brave enough to show the work in progress. So…

First off, a couple of caveats: I wasn’t sure where to post this (it’s got scratchbuilt elements but it’s more a kitbash than a scratchbuild; technically it’s science-fiction but it’s MY science fiction; etc). But it’s basically armor, and I learned all the stuff I’ll be using from reading the armor section, so I’m putting it here. Purists, forgive me please [:$] Also, it’s likely that it’ll take a while to get this done, and that there will be gaps in the posts when Real Life intrudes, dammit. But I’ll try to keep it up to date with actual progress.

A word of explanation.

About two or three years ago I had a sudden, weird impulse to build something from a kit and paint it. I hadn’t done anything like that since I was a teenager (I now have kids of my own…) and for about six months I kept kind of pushing the idea away as being a bit immature and unjustifiable. Then I realised I was being an idiot: why should anything that makes you feel good (and doesn’t hurt anyone else) need justification? Why on earth shouldn’t I built a model tank or something?

But then I realised I didn’t just want to make a kit from a box, I wanted to do something that I’d had in my head for a while. A kind of machine that had grown bit by bit in the back of my mind.

Bear with me here.

Who hasn’t, in their quieter moments, fantasised about steaming across the charred wastes of a post-apocalyptic future in a heavily-modified, defensively-armed and armoured steam train / battle tank hybrid? (And if not, why not?!) With tracks and gun-emplacements, coal bins and living quarters for a family of four or five, it’s a self-contained ship of the plains. When society comes crashing down, this is the post-nuclear version of the VW Camper Van [:D]

So, having decided that I ought to have a proper go at this madness, I bought some bits and some paint and a fishing tackle box to put it all in and had a stab at making what I was imagining – using kit parts from a Centurion tank, an empty hairspray bottle for the steam engine cylinder, and a lot of plasticard and rivets. It ended up looking like this:

It’s unfinished: there’s supposed to be a lot of cargo on the sides, and the interior is supposed to look properly inhabited and have coal in the hoppers, etc. I kind of ran out of steam because I wasn’t really happy with the structure itself. The steam engine part didn’t look convincing to me. But I learned a lot about scratchbuilding and painting techniques doing it, so I’m trying to think of it as an investment rather than a waste of time [:)] I’m putting it here at the top because iit gives an idea of what kind of effect I was aiming for, and it’s going to serve as the basic template for this project: steam train at the front, weird stuff at the back, tank tracks under the whole lot.

So that sat on the shelf for a couple of years until a month or so ago, when I suddenly had the urge to give the whole thing another try, this time with a proper loco at the front. (Have to admit I didn’t know for sure that 1:35 locos actually existed when I thought of this… but hurrah, they do!)

The new plan, then, is this: use the Trumpeter BR86 as the basic steam locomotive that our post-apocalyptic family have converted to run on tank treads, and kitbash it into oblivion until it fulfils their purposes. The Post-Apocalyptic Tank Wagon Redux! [:P]

I have a ton of reservations, concerns and worries about this. Things like

  • The Trumpeter BR86 kit turns out to be HUGE. Probably should have realised that. Am I biting off too much here? Also, the BR86 kit has more teeny tiny pieces than I’ve ever seen in one place in my life before, and I’ve already snapped one of them.
  • Am I supposed to make it credible? Do I have to work out how the steam engine connects to the tank tracks? Is it going to bug the hell out of me if I don’t do that?
  • Is it okay to drink and model at the same time?
  • I discovered while doing the first one that I’m waaay impatient. Things that need to be left overnight to cure get hit with a hairdryer and then messed up five minutes later. The skills needed for this may be significantly beyond me.
  • Shouldn’t I be feeding my children or earning money or something?

Aargh. Probably shouldn’t have actually written those down.

Anyoo, here’s progress so far. In the past three weeks I have, intermittently…

  1. Built the basic cylinder part of the BR86. Fair warning: quite a lot of the bits here are fiddly and delicate and it’s almost certain that at some point I’m going to grab the thing and break some or all of them. I can’t see any way round this. When it happens I’m almost certainly going to call it “battle damage”. I’ve also left off, from the front, all the bits that I’m not yet sure will mate up with whatever I put under it. My optimistic hope here is that I can add them in later.

  1. Built up the sides of the original BR86 cab into little armoured emplacements. These are going to go on at an angle. Looking at them here, I think they need more rivets round the slots. The curved parts were set as curves by bending the plasticard around an empty Coke bottle, tying it in place with elastic bands, then letting the whole lot sit in really hot (just boiled) water for 2 mins. When it cools, the plasticard retains the shape, which is pretty cool [:D]

  1. Grafted what will be the body of the living quarters / armoured emplacement to the loco section. The gun emplacements above will sit on those 45-degree angles, which is going to give me some interesting angles to work with as I keep adding wall sections to them. Still not sure quite what’s going underneath this as undercarriage… the BR86 comes with its own, complex, undercarriage but of course it won’t stretch that far back and it may not want to mate to whatever wheels I get for the tank part. So… um… still a bit unclear on that stuff. But yay! White plasticard! The grey boards are from another kit, this one for a basic railway wagon which I’ve completely hacked to bits, poor thing [:^)]

Like I said, it’s likely to be slow progress, so comments, criticism and feedback would be really appreciated. Even if it’s just asking, “Dude, why?” [:(]

In the immortal words of Dave Brockie (the eternal lead singer of Gwar) “Sheer Brilliance!”

Hello and welcome to the FSM forums! I think it’s pretty darn neat, and so what if it’s SF/Fantasy- there have been plenty of German paper projects posted here. And papa has to have a little hobby for his off time!

The early vehicle you’ve got posted looks really cool and I’d love to see more photos of her. And what you’re working on now looks even more so, please keep us posted on your progress. [Y]

Welcome to the forums guybblue [snWcm]

That’s a really neat idea. Great work on you first one [Y] I’d like to see more as well.
Does it have to be creatable? Only to you.
Does the steam engine need to be connected to the drive sprockets? Somewhere…I guess…only if it bothers you.
Can you drink when you model? What ever brew you prefer. [B][C][D][t$t]

it’s very cool. when I was young, I would cobble together built small scale armor with bits from other types of broken kits to create unique vehicles like this. At first glance, it reminds me of the Soviet jungle cutter vehicle used in the last Indiana Jones movie with the crystal skull.

Wow ! Please continue your great work.

I’m a big fan of what-if, post-apo, or anything sci-fi cool vehicles like the one you’re building right now.

I can understand that at 1/35 scale, a vehicle this big is can be a " considerable " task, but just think the amount of fun you have while building it !

Do you plan of adding weapons on it ?

Thank you all for the encouragement and the kind words! It’s very reassuring to know that I can drink and wield polystyrene cement with (limited) impunity. Hurrah for that [:D]

Oh yes. Not sure quite what yet, but there’s definitely going to be some kind of tail-gunner arrangement, and those side emplacements will need something in 'em.

You’re right – definitely that kind of vibe!

Well, you asked for it…! [:P] Here are some more shots of the original (prototype?) PATW. I tried to tart it up a bit for the photos by stacking some of the cargo on in the places where I’d roughly intended it to go, and I’ve taken some shots with the roof on, some with it off. (The roof never got finished; there’s supposed to be a top-coat over that rust which would then be weathered off again, but it never happened.) Generally I’m happier with the look of the back than the front, but there are a lot of details that bug me, tbh! So this is partly an exercise in learning from a lot of mistakes.

Front view. The smokestack is the weakest part of the whole thing – it just looks terrible, utterly unconvincing – so the fact that it’s blurred and cut off shouldn’t bother you [:(] The front of the loco is pretty bad, too. Somewhere under all that nonsense is an empty plastic hair product bottle.

Rear view:

Interior with sleeping quarters in the left-hand-side gun emplacement:

Top view showing the living quarters and other bits. The two empty bins are for coal but never got filled. I’m quite pleased with the little stove in the corner, which I converted from an oil-drum (because hey, every home needs a little stove in the corner, even if there’s a great big firebox just behind you).

Left-side gun emplacement closer up. Not massively happy with those gunslit surrounds, nor the fake “machinery” glued on behind the wheels – which looks pretty obviously just-glued-on. Should have either done it better or covered it up with mud [:$]

Rear quarter with cutting-gear gas tanks, oil drums and bits and bobs. I quite like the gas tanks. I think they’re my favourite part of the whole build [;)]

Right-hand side of the PATW. The really battered sheet of weathered metal was made by crumpling some of that super-thin, almost paper-like plasticard and then gluing it down onto a sheet of ordinary 020 plasticard. I really liked the way that ended up looking, so I used it on the side “skirts” that partially cover the wheels too, though in a less extreme fashion. I’m going to use it on the new build too, for any parts that the family on board have scavenged and added over time [:)]

I think that’s about it for now. Made a little bit of progress on the new build earlier today, but just a bit, not worth posting yet.

Very cool! It has a little bit of a steam punk look, but it also reminds me of the subjects Kow Yokoyama designed and kitbashed for his Maschinen Krieger world.

That is really cool! I love the tread sag, great job! Great idea for the “battered Metal”, looks very real. As for as the stuff on the fender, if you tie them down with some chain or rope, they won’t look glued down, at least IMHO.

You did a great job with the interior, well though out.

Steve

Now that is neat, I really like that. Some lovely detail in there. Look forward to seeing more. Are you planning on putting it on a base.

Guy thats a very cool original idea, and you’ve done some fantastic work. An armored roof, a ton of armaments, tow hooks and cables, maybe a mini still to brew up some spirits in an evil world and you’re good to go. Any thought on figures, kit bashing them might really be something. As you can see theres a lot of us loving this, so keep it up and keep the pictures coming.

Wow – thank you all! I’m very fired up now [:D]

The plan was to tie everything on with rope, but that never happened on the original. I’ve got the teeny tiny ropes left over, though, so will use them on this build. Jibber’s idea of a still is genius, so that’s got to be incorporated!

I hadn’t come across Kow Yokoyama’s work. That’s some seriously cool stuff – fantastic weathering effects and just really evocative designs. I’m in awe.

The tread sag comes largely from those being metal treads. They were the world’s biggest PITA to put together, and if I were to use them again for the new build I’d need even more of them (because it’s longer)… so I might have to steel myself to cannibalising them off the prototype. Seriously, the thought of snipping all that wire and drilling every single tread out before tweezering the wire in place… there’s a crossover point where a legitimate hobby starts to shade into a human rights violation [:|] I might try standard plastic tread and see if I can get the same look just by squidging it around.

As for a base – yes, eventually it really should have something to stand on. Nothing too involved, but maybe I can put a bit of scrubby terrain under it and some rusty junk. That’s a looooong way off, though!

Thanks again for all your encouragement [:D]

Wow, !http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/images/smilies/jump1.gifkeep a going here.

I think it looks great - not only the idea but the thought out placement of all the parts and the finish you’ve applied to it.

Very interesting… I’ll be watching.

Yeah, don’t scrap the original. Keep plugging away on it. The front loco is not that bad if you look at it as something slavaged and built up to power the track, and getting rid of what is absolutely not needed. Maybe the loco headlamp for night runs. I think the idea and build is great, keep up with it.

Now, that’s not something you see everyday!

Looking forward to see more of it!

[Y]

This is sooo darn cool [Y]. Love that left side shot with barrels, and rust line across the red star. Good job! [:D[

Very cool , iti is a steam punk kinda thing.

Thanks for posting the rest of the photos Guy, super cool! I esp like the rust effects of the armoured skirts and the battered sheet of ‘bolt-on’ armour.

Bit of good news… I managed to score a part-finished 1:25 scale Centurion on eBay. The guy selling it had completed the hull and wheel assembly. It’s just arrived and with very minor surgery it’s basically provided a complete undercarriage for the rear part of the build, no assembly required! It’s also left me with a box of useful tank bits [:D]

I now have to decide how to extend it under the main loco section, specifically whether to try to construct something that will mate with the existing BR86 undercarriage – that might look pretty cool – or just to replace it completely with tank-style stuff (which would probably be easier). There’s also the question of where the additional Centurion parts come from. Somewhere I’ve got some mould-making kit so in theory I could reproduce the ones from the part-built kit, but… ehhh, making moulds, mixing resin, it’s very smelly and unpleasant and probably massively bad for you. I did some wheels for the original PATW that way but I’m not sure I want to revisit the experience. I may just scout around the local model shops and online and try to get a cheap / second-hand / messed-up / part-built second Centurion and do it that way.

Made some progress on the rear section last night after the kids were in bed: will try to upload pics later! I need more rivets [:S]

Going to be interesting.