ss arm band

[blackdog62]

and this marking was also in the kit i have no idea about eather one. im figuring im going to have to find some ss markings. well i dug these books out they should help with what im looking for. it would be nice if the stug4 marking was already from the ss. if anyone knows that would be great. thanks

jerry.2017-08-22_03-07-13 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

[Armor_Aficionado]

You picked the right category of vehicle, because panzerjaeger units kept constant their colour of waffenfarbe - pink. The shoulder straps would have the cypher ‘P’, either in pink embroidery, silver or gold depending on rank.

From February 1942 to May 1944, crew uniforms should be the field grey version of the black panzer type. After the latter date, they were suppose to revert back to the black uniform. Also during the second half of the war, branch piping around the collar lapels was eliminiated, as was the coloured soutache on cloth headgear.

regards,

Jack

Jack, one more question. While I’ve seen plenty of panzer-type uniforms, both the regular Panzer black and the SPG grey, which have the pink Waffenfarbe, what about if the Panzerjäger crew has regular infantry-cut uniforms (i.e., NOT the Panzer-cut, short tunic with double-breasted style lapels)? I ask because the crew that came with the kit has regular infantry-cut uniforms, which I’ve never seen pink Waffenfarbe on. The Tamiya Marder II kit is the kit I’ve got. The illustrations and decals are based on an actual Marder II, the “Kohlenklau” (coal thief). I’ve seen several wartime photos of that particular Marder II and its crew, and that’s not a mistake, they DO actually wear regular, infantry-cut uniforms, not the Panzer-style uniform. However, all the photos I’ve seen are black-and-white, so I can’t tell the color of the Waffenfarbe. But since I’ve NEVER seen infantry-cut uniforms with pink Waffenfarbe, is that an actual possibility? Or would they have to be red, for artillery, or something else?

[Bish]

They will still have the Pink Waffenfarbe. Its the same as if they were the crew on a towed AT weapon like a PaK 40. Pink is most associated with tank crews, but there are other who wear that colour.

Its likely the photo’s you see where taklen before the field grey Pz Uniform were issued. You would not want to wear black in an open topped vehhicle, so they are simply wearing there issued M36 uniform.

[Bish]

and this marking was also in the kit i have no idea about eather one. im figuring im going to have to find some ss markings. well i dug these books out they should help with what im looking for. it would be nice if the stug4 marking was already from the ss. if anyone knows that would be great. thanks

jerry.2017-08-22_03-07-13 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

Can’t speak for the books on the right, but just be careful with the ones on the left. I think its in the SS book, they show the same 251 in the profiles of at least 2 different Div’s. But they are handy for general info and unit histories.

[Bish]

i have never done a figure before im hopeing ill get better tha plan is for the stug crew and grenadeirs to be makeing a secure bivowack for the night. so ill have several more figures to work on and figure out arm bands and shoulder bords. and what ss was what parts of the eastern front ?

Most of them at some point. Some, like the 3rd SS spent all their time in the east after the invasion in 41, others moved around.

Largley depends on your time period.

[jgeratic]

Yes, Bish has it covered - regular Wehrmacht tunics could be adorned with the pink waffenfarbe. Recalling from past reading, all servicemen regardless of branch, were issued with the four pocket tunics during their training, and would have kept them as part of their personal gear wherever they went.

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As far as SS divison markings go, you can either pick a time frame and a front you wish to model, or if it’s more the design of marking that strikes your fancy, then just research that particular unit’s history.

regards,

Jack

[blackdog62]

Bish… jgeratic thank you both for your time that’s just what I was doing. I came across the wiking division. These guys really got in thick of it. With army group South for the start to Caucasus and Hungary and Austria surenderd to that Americans and even fought there way out of the korsun pocket. Being a stug4 diorama it’s going to be late war.

Now i gota Get the rest of the grenadiers together and find wiking decals. Probably new tankers also.

Thank for the help guys I’m sure I’ll need more help on this one it’s a first.

[blackdog62]

Thanks bish i caught that and thought the author maybe was being lazy.

I’m off to the net to search for ss wiking decals or even better mask.

[jgeratic]

For masks, I know I’ve seen some PE ones, which should be ok on flat or near flat surfaces.

https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/masks/edu/mask_edu_xt032.shtml

http://www.am-works.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=mask

This last one am unfamiliar with, but did order some figures from them:

http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Stencilit___Pochoirs.html

regards,

Jack

[Bish]

I’ve ordred from scalelink a few times a couple of years back, had no issues. Like the look of that mask, might come in useful.

[Armor_Aficionado]

Blackdog, Two really good references if you want to research SS divisions and their wartime action are books by Bruce Quarrie: Hitler’s Samurai, and Hitler’s Teutonic Knights. I highly recommend both.

[blackdog62]

Thank you for these links I’m going to get them. Seems like a handy item to have being most my armored is German thank you.

[blackdog62]

Thank you for that I’m big on reading I’ll be looking up those titles thank you.

[jgeratic]

Didn’t check back through the thread, maybe it was posted already, but found this site might be of interest for Stug fans:

http://www.stugiii.com/stugunits/waffenss.html

regards,

Jack

[blackdog62]

Thanks jack I’m gonna take a look.

Jerry