I have adopted a mustang pic under my sig and can’t figure out if its a new or old pic, mostly because its an actual 109 infront of that stang. Is this an extraordinarly good WW2 pic or newer???
-Jeff
Newer I believe, because i have alot of photos in books with the same planes at it with each other, i might even have a copy of that pic one of my books.
If it is Gunney try to get some info on it… I am not aware of any flying 109’s
There are some flying 109s but they typically have the Spanish Merlin engines I believe…
i think it is newer because i know there is a few 109s flying today-brad
There are a couple of flyable 109’s and the previously mentioned Spanish license-built 109’s with the Merlins-check out the movie “Battle of Britain” for a better look at those. The Heinkel 111’s in that flick are also Spanish with Merlin engines!
When looking at any photo, you’ve got to ask “Who is taking the picture?”
That’s a really nice, clear color photo from directly behind the subjects that would have to be modern. No gun camera shot would look like that and the color is so smooth, that has to be modern film. I think?!
You know… there’s a big book down at our local Library about the WWII Air War, where all the pictures were either made in color, or B&W ones have been colorized. If it was the later, someone done one HECK of job making them look like they were made last Wednesday sometime!
I’m going to go down there and check it out (literally) tomorrow, now that my interest has been peeked! [:)] (Thanks Jeff, I’ll report on it’s contents)
Take care,
Frank
Just a gut feeling but I think the picture is a lot more recent the the 1940s. You really can’t tell if it’s a real Bf109 or the Spanish version. Also the ground that you can see is more reminiscent of the hi plains of the US (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska etc) than of Europe. Lastly there is a sharpness to the photo that I’ve never seen in a gun camera picture (Like maybe someone was using a really good, expensive 35mm SLR camera) (BTW - last I knew the CAF still had a couple of the Spanish 109s in operating condition)
Jeff, Isn’t that a 68 GMC pickup parked next to that barn down in the right hand corner of your pic? Just trying to help buddy. semper fi, mike
That isn’t a real picture, it’s a screenshot from a PC flight simulator game if you ask me.
Mike
'Tis Duxford’s old ‘Big Beatiful Doll’ and ‘Black 2’, a Spanish Buchon which was converted to a 109G-10…
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ill agree with mike V. the main reason is the clouds. you have to have a UV filter to get the clouds so clear. gun cameras were basic photographic devices. any kind of camera was a basic photographic device in the war…its either a modern picture, or a PC sim screenshot. but either way, its still a great picture.
I believe it is new. I am not sure if that is Duford’s “Big Beuatiful Doll” or possible a different one. There are three flying P-51 “Big Beautiful Dolls”. At Osh Kosk EEA Air Show they do mock battle scenes. The picture is very crisp so hards to fully tell. My friend had one of the BBD but a couple of years ago sold it to a flying museum in England.
'Tis definitely the Old Flying Machine Company’s ‘Big Beautiful Doll’ out of Duxford. Although, the aircraft is now owned by Rob Davies, I think.
Here’s another shot from the same flight:
These shots are from a well-known photo flight which was all over the aviation rags back… heck… I can’t remember.
Anyhoo, I don’t think that ‘Black 2’ has ever been in the States.
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I don’t think there are any flight sims that do clouds that well LOL
jeeves, with an ATI readeon 9800 you will be amazed. doom 3 is the precursor to what will be photo-quality games coming soon.
Sorry, Mike. It’s a '72!
That was when GM went to a 5 hole lug pattern and that one is DEFINITELY a 5 hole lug pattern. [:D]
Randie [C):-)]
I had a feeling you’d come up with the goods Steve [;)]. The first thing that gave the pic away as modern is the color and contrast range. No such thing on the earliest color films. Look at a few old pics and compare to this one: much higher contrast an ‘simplified’ color ranges (less smooth transitions in the greens for example). Then there’s the angle of the shot: somebody had the time to position a camera ship so that the horizon was level and the two fighters were nicely framed. In combat? Don’t think so. What threw me off was the fact that it looked like a G model (bit hunchbacked if you know what I mean), but I couldn’t really tell from the small pic. Well, my questions are answered now [;)][8D]. Nice one. I likes a riddle.[:p]
Somebody has to do it… [;)]
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