I haven’t done a WIP in a long time so I thought I’d do this one. I want build a Pz llc with an interior. I’m going to use the Tamiya Pzll a,b,c., the Cyber Hobby Pzll F, and the Dragon Pz llc Imperial kit.
I’m starting with the Tamiya lower hull.
I had to remove the extra plastic from the lower hull so that I could seat the Cyber hobby interior.
I lined the hull with styrene and just set the floor in. So for so good. Any comments or suggestions are welcomed.
Sounds like a great project, will be following this one with interest! [tup]
Wow! I think I only have to get a few more builds under my belt before I try something like this![:D]
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Few: approx. 2-3…hundred![:D]
Seriously, I’m looking forward to this. Me likes to learn.[:D]
Thanks guys, we’ll see how it goes. I’m going to try methods I haven’t done before.
A redefinition of the “3 in 1” kit.[;)] Looks like your off to a good start.
[:D] Well put!
Here’s a quick progress report.
Here is transmission sitting on the floor plate. I had too do some serious sanding, fitting, and adjusting to these pieces.
Here it is sitting in the lower hull. The plate the pedals are mounted on had to be shortened to fit in between the clutches. The transmission shifter had to be shortened because it was resting up against the upper hull. The filler tubes had to be shortened so that the upper hull would lay flush on the lower hull.
These two pictures are part of the smoke & mirrors of the build. I had to add styrene thats going to be painted black so that an opened/empty space does not show through. The other is the major sanding that had to be done to get the clutches to fit forward, and low enough, to get the floor plate to sit in the proper position and the front of the upper hull to fit right. The lower hulls of the two kits are very different. The Tamiya is round, and the CH one is squared.
Upper hull sitting in place on lower hull. Any coments good or bad are valued.
excellent WIP! I’ve never tried a kitbash (probably due to lack of skill or money), so this is a great intro. thanks.
Initially I thought you were going for a II-c…but I see you are building a II-C. (The first three variants of the Pzkpfw II were all “lower case” a-b-c…it was only the first production Ausf that was labelled upper case A, then B, then C, etc." There’s no real difference between an Ausf c and an Ausf A, although there are differences between the lower case c and the upper case C but are minor. The Tamiya kit with the rounded front hull nose is correct for an early-war Ausf C, later C’s had added armor to the front that produced a square nose but the inner dimensions should’ve remained unchanged. Makes me wonder if it’s Tamiya that got the dimensions wrong or DML or a combination of the two that’s requiring you to do all the modifications.
I’m also curious as to what you’re using from the old Alan/DML II-C that’s not included in the Tamiya kit? The Alan/DML Imperial kit is fairly old while the Tamiya II-A/B/C is very new.
Thanks tacobuff! wbill76, thank you very much for your response. I’ve been using Schiffer’s “Panzer l and ll and Their Variants” for reference. When discussing this project at a club meeting, I told them I must be missing something. The letter designation was confusing me. [%-)] Upper and lower class letter designations. I completely missed that. Now what I’ve been reading over and over make perfect sense now after reading your post. Again, thanks! [bow]
As for as the front hulls, there is differences in construction.
Above shows the front hulls of both kits. The Cyber-Hobby Pz ll F on the left, and the Tamiya A,B,C, on the right.
Here is the CH F with the front plate set in place.
Here is the Tamiya A,B,C, inner hull.
Here is the Tamiya with the front two plates in place.
As far as the Dragon Imperial PZ ll, it comes with the old round bow and the square one. So it can make a Pz ll c, or Pz ll A,B,C now that I understand the designations. I don’t think I’ll be using anything out of the Dragon kit.
I’m doing this because the F has a small hatch on top, where as the A,B,C has the larger hatches. That nice interior will show much better in the C. Any comments good or bad are most welcomed!
Matthew,
No problem, the Pz II is one of those odd-balls when it comes to the initial vehicle designations. The lower case a and b had very different suspensions and it was only with the lower case c that the suspension that became “standard” was introduced.
After seeing your pictures of the rounded hull on the Tamiya kit, I see that it is DML that took the short-cut. They too have released a C but with the add-on armor and commander’s cupola with vision blocks vs. the large flap-style hatch that was common on the C before it was up-armored/upgraded with later features. Your photos also show that they took a short-cut with the interior and designed it for the F and why on their C, it’s the same interior but with the squared off bow. I will definitely be getting the Tamiya C now that I know it’s got the rounded off hull for real underneath it’s added panels. [;)] Thanks for also answering the question about the older Imperial Series DML C, makes sense to me now. Will be watching your project with continued interest for sure! [tup]
Here is an update…finaly.
Here is the finished interior in place. I used Tamya acrylic washes over Floquil RR enamels. I used a pencil to add nicks and wear. More to come. Critiques and comments welcomed.
Mathew9 - Lookin’ good!! Wow , I just love a good kit bash!! great posts with good info,too.
Gonna be following this one. Great work!
Mark
P.S. In my best English accent - “BLUE MEANYS!!!”
interior’s lookin’ good! can’t wait to see the final product!
Very nice, Matthew!
You’re doing some fine work there! The interior was looking pretty sharp!
Thanks for the comments. I’m really enjoying this one.
Yea, I love that movie!
Here is the turret (Finally!) I had a rough time with this part. The top of the turret is Tamiya, and the lower turret is Cyber Hobby. It took a lot of sanding, fitting, and experimentation. I had planed on using the manlet from the Cyber kit. But I had to use the Tamiya because the the mantlet must match up to the upper turret used. I had to refit the equipment inside the turret. I seem to be back on track now. Any comments are welcomed. Fire away.
very interesting subject matthew.is the interior mostly cyberhobby,or a mix? theres something that really makes an armoured vehicle shine when you can look into a hatch and get the impression that you can climb in and take her for a spin or head to the range.are cyberhobby instructions better than dragons?looking forward to more updates.[tup]
Thanks. Yes, about 90% of the interior is Cyberhobby. The guns and the mounts are from the Tamiya side. I really wanted to show of the interior, so I bashed the two kits so I could use the larger hatches. My understanding is that CyberHobby is Dragons Internet dealer(?). The Cyber instructions are good. There are some detail parts not in the instructions.