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Can anyone verify if this was an authentic color scheme for a Panther G in Berlin, 1945? I really would like to try it on my kit for Big Cats GB.
SMJ near the end of the war the german’s were running low on everything including paint so they started to reissue the one color they still had plenty of, panzer gray.So imo I would say go for it this camo pattern was possible.
The zimmerit makes this a a mid-1944 production Panther G Late. There are some accounts describing the use of Panzer Gray on very-late war production vehicles, but I haven’t heard anything about earlier vehicles being repainted. If you have a photo or can provide the source of the color plate it would be helpful…
hermesminiatures: The model photoed is from a Verlinden book. The picture with the figures is from the book, “Panther in Action” and the last picture is one I found on the net. When I was in Southern California I attended a local model club meeting and met an older gentlemen who was from Germany, he said that the gray might have been used, but would have been apllied over dark yellow. He also said zimmerit would NOT have been applied on such a late scheme.
In summary, I would like to paint the tank gray with brown no zim’, or more of a three-gray camo’ no zim’…late war 1945, Berlin…it could just be hypothetical, but could/might it have been likely[%-)]
An attempt at urban camo maybe? Anyone know if that was done?
My refs have recently discounted this myth…however, there is no way to prove that it didn’t happen…my feeling is that it probably didn’t—or it was a “one-off”…I think that variations in the late-war red-oxide, dark yellow and green scheme is more likely, such as red-oxide and green only or red-oxide and dark yellow only…
There was a heated debate several times on Missing Lynx about the use of panzer grey being still around in the late war. Several prominent members believe that the paint was burned as a heating source. Or used up by the Reicshbahn. However I have seen several pics of Jagdtigers with the barrels (only) painted a dark grey. I was told that this was a speacial heat resistant paint.
On a side note the second picture shows a chain attatched to the towing mounts. The Germans did not use chains on there vehicles, esp. near drive sprockets or roadwheels.
Mark
…those chains would be useless in towing a vehicle the size of a Panther…
agentg: BINGO!!! I orginally intended to try this color-scheme for the “Urban Armor” GB, but when I switched my build to a Panther A I shelved the idea. Now with the Big Cats GB going I’m revisiting it. I am intrigued by the scheme because it is so unique and unless it can be proven it DIDN’T exist I’ll probably try it…heck, I like it so much I may do it anyway…and learn more about the Panther along the way…[:D]
I say have fun and go for it.I built the grey/brown Panther in 1/72.Besides,the Panther looks good in German grey.
Here’s my take on it, and on “the Controversy” ([:O])
The image has been seen by the modeling community now for years, and so it “exists”! No one can honestly prove that it definitely did not and it hypothetically could have occurred, so I say unless you’re building to put your model in a museum display which is portraying a diorama of Berlin which will approximate the general consensus of “safely accurate”, I say go for it!
Didn’t Wiking make it back to Berlin with a some of their Panthers?
Thouse would have been zimmed, and for whatever reason they could have been given an “Urban Camo” scheme.
The overpainted Turmnumber 123 in Verlindens depiction does not compute with that scenario though.
I say go for it, I have decided and I will 
doog: I DO TOO!!!..I thought the color scheme below looked really cool when I found it on the net…any color suggestions/tips? I’m thinking Tamiya colors: German Grey XF-63(most), Brown/JGSFD XF-72 (moderate) and Light Grey XF-66 (least). Do you use Tamiya paints…I probably should have asked you that first[%-)] I plan to use the silly putty technique, but I would make it look like it was applied in a real hurry, not real clean edges…think of it like a “whitewash” of urban camo’ colors…make sense?
Steve, (oh god, I hope I got that right! LOL! [swg]),
I’m gonna actually say that I think that that’s a really light Dunklegelb coat on there-NOT “light Grey”! IN fact, I think you could use my recent E-100 build as a sort-of guide?
That was Panzer Grey, Primer Red (Taimya’s Hull Red +White+ Dark Yellow mixture) with a greatly-lightened DY coat. Yes I do use ALL Tamiya acrylics usually, with the exception being Model Master Panzer Green when I need it.
I don’t think I’d hazard a light grey–there’s really no evidence at all for this coor being used in any theatre, whereas all the others have credibility.
Yeah…I’m convinced that that’s Dunklegelb–Dark Yellow! (albeit greatly thinned/ lightened)
doog: Let me make sure I got this right…German Grey, Brown/JGSDF and Lightened Dark Yellow…is that right? Now I’m thinking the Dunklegelb-Dark Yellow (lightened) should go on first as the base color…but I’m not sure…maybe the German Grey first…hmmmm
Yeah, I’d say go with a DY base.
As far as the “brown”, I’m not sure–maybe Red Brown, maybe that weird brown I’ve seen used late-war, or maybe Primer Red like I used? And then of course, Panzer Grey.
doog: I think I’ll do the DY base and really emphasize the sun-bleached/worn look. Then paint the German Grey camo’ slopped on like a “whitewash” and then add some Red Brown spots/swathes. OOOOOOO [:O][:O][:O] this is getting good!!!
Now for the zim’…do you think a Panther G Late could go zim’-less?
It would make sense if the crew covered the green with gray having pulled back into an urban setting. Dk yellow, red brown/red oxide, dk gray colors would be more prevalent in the city.
Go For It !
just my 2cents lol
Wayner
Cool–good call, I’d say!
Sure–most late G’s were zimm-less! Just make sure you use the late reinforced mantlet with the “chin”!
This sounds like a cool-looking camo scheme, I can’t wait to see the finished result.