Ok you B-1B experts I have a question

Edwards AFB, Beale AFB and few other Air Force and Navy installations are far enough out in the boonies that it is possible to make a supersonic, low level pass and not have the boom do much damage. Most installations are fairly close to housing areas, shopping centers, industrial areas, etc and a supersonic pass would cover at least some of those areas and probably do a lot of damage. Supersonic passes at airshows are EXTREMELY unusual and mostly unintentional the rare times that they do occur. This would include the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels. Both teams make both slow speed and high speed passes to show off the wide range of speeds that their respective jets are capable of attaining. The high speed pass is close to, but not in excess of Mach 1. A .95 Mach pass in full afterburner is very noisy and very impressive. It is a long, drawn out ROAR that continues for the entire pass. A low level sonic boom would be a short, VERY loud noise that would sound something like a 12 gauge shot gun being fired right next to your ear.

I would guess that the difference with super sonic rockets is that they are going pretty much straight up so the sonic boom “footprint” is very small. Basically, a circle under the rocket. Since it usually doesn’t get too high, this circle is going to be relatively small. A supersonic airplane creates a boom footprint along the entire length of it’s flight path while supersonic. The higher the altitude, the wider the footprint.

Darwin, O.F. [alien]

Everyone has pretty much said it , but there are no aircraft that break the sound barrier at airshows. It simply will cause way too much damage. Unless you are an Israeli pilot flying over Lebanon, than you can fly supersonic at any time, any altitude and anywhere you like. And the sound is as if a bomb has been dropped on your porch. Thats how you know if a plane goes supersonic. And the B-1B is technically subsonic now.

A few comments more or less relevant:

Rockets: Until I moved to this place, where there really isn’t much open real estate, I was a model rocket buff too. I built a two-stage rocket with only, I believe, E or F engines in it. It was designed to go supersonic and thus accelerated very quickly, as in you couldn’t see it leave the little pad. But each time I launched it, sure enough it was followed by a distinct “crack” like the sound of a .22 rifle shot. Also, anyone who has had a bullet go by his ear has heard a sonic “crack” from the round, the delay of course depending on the distance of the shooter.

Funny thing, first time I had the experience from inside the airplane, as I wrote in my newspaper at the time “I expected an angel to reach down and touch me on the head or something.” Nope. It just got quieter and smoother. What a letdown. That old F-4C just plowed right through it and the only people affected were those night shift guys down on the Gulf of Mexico oil rigs cursing at us as we flew over at Mach 1.4 while they slept, our shock wave (which, remember, the plane is dragging behind it, which is why the flight crew can’t hear it) having lifted those roughnecks right off their sheets. In the F-104, F-18 and F-15, I remember a tiny little buffet as we went transonic and then when we hit Mach 1 – nothing. All these flights were over various places just off the Gulf Coast, but anyone who has FAA charts knows there are supersonic military operating ranges out west over the desert, just as there are just off all the coasts.

Chuck Yeager’s supersonic flight at the Sound Barrier Commemorative was in a two-seat F-15 in 1997 at Edwards’ airshow, I believe. There used to be watch ads showing Yeager standing in front of this F-15, which had “Glamorous Glennis” painted on it. But supersonic flight at modern airshows is virtually never, ever done. It’s such a no-no to go Mach 1 over populated areas, I remember what a huge row erupted in one instance, in the late '80s, in which a pair of astronauts, inbound to Ellington Houston from the Cape in a T-38, “accidentally” went barely supersonic during their letdown toward EFD. It broke some store windows and my editor had me call NASA for a quote, which was “No comment.”

As for the loudness of the B-1, it’s all relative. Remember, the GE and PW F100 and F110 and other engines that power the B-1, F-15 and 16, are much quieter than the J79’s that were in the Phantom, F-8 and F-104, and J57s that were in the F-100, F101, B-52B-G, and just about every other airplane of the time. Anything with four military turbjets in it is going to rock your ears. But even louder still were the old Cold War super engines, the J75s that were in the F-105, F106 and U-2. Monstrous engines. And the Martin P6M Seamaster had four of them with afterburners! And I am old enough that I remember a B-58 doing a low-level flyover of my hometown with its four J79s burning for all they were worth. It sounded like the end of the world, but nothing has deafened me quite like the year our planes were parked under the approach end of the runway at Oshkosh for the weekend.

As usual, a Concord was there, and it was taking off about four times a day, with our group stationed right under it. Each one of its four Olympus turbojets produced 38,000 lbs of thrust in afterburner, or, all together, the equivalent thrust of more than eight F-4’s in afterburner! It sounded like Hell with the lid off.

And I have a question: I’ve seen a couple of shuttle landings at Edwards, and a bunch on TV. Does anyone know why it produces that double sonic boom – a sort of “ba-boom” – that announces its arrival every time?

TOM

Supersonic: s-flyby.mpg

NOT supersonic: b1flyby.wmv

Tom…

  1. Beale AFB is not out in the boonies as much as Edwards is. There are towns/cities surrounding Beale within 4 miles. In the 4 years I was there, I never heard a sonic boom from the SR-71s, and none ever buzzed the field at M1+ during air shows.

  2. Are you serious with your last question about the shuttle??? The sonic boom is from the shuttle breaking the SB when it enters the heavier air when reentering the atmosphere. Its traveling at like Mach 25. It also breaks the SB during launch at around 40,000ft, one may not here it over the sound the the engines.

Google “shuttle sonic boom” and you will find good info on wikipedia and a link to a picture of the shuttle breaking the SB during launch.

Your lucky to have been able to ride in some jets !!!

TailspinTom [8-]

I guess I wasn’t clear. My question wasn’t, Why does the Shuttle cause a sonic boom? What I meant was, why does it make the KIND of boom it does, which is the characteristic double sound, with two booms in rapid succession.

TOM

On one of the recoveries of the shuttle…I was watching Fox News.The commentator made the statement that the double sonic boom was created by the nose and wingtips of the shuttle.He did not elaborate on specific details about how this happens though.Maybe it’s the shape of the wing? I know of no other aircraft with the shape of that wing.I found it interesting that the shuttle is traveling in the MACH range all the way up till approximately 30 seconds right before touchdown.The drag of the landing gear and the rudder/speedbrake are what actually slows it down (when airborne).

But it’s not out at sea, now is it.

The Air Force breaks the sound barrier, for the Air Show at ED. So you are way off.

I’m glad that someone brought this up, because I was about
to make mention of it. I think (and please, someone correct
me if I’m wrong) that an aircraft can fly at Mach 0.95 and
still create a sonic boom. As airflow goes over the wings, it
accelerates (according to the principle of lift). So an aircraft
moving at Mach 0.95 might have supersonic airflow moving
over parts of its airframe. Notice where the shockwaves are
created on this F-18: over the wings and the cockpit ‘bump’.

This is not true. The shuttle maintains about 300 knots for the
duration of the flight below 30,000 feet. This is a really interesting
video taken from inside the shuttle cockpit from reentry-to-landing.
Several shots of the HUD are included, with speed indicated.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/docs/Short115Reentry.wmv

Well, for those of you who want a final answer, the 2006 Edwards air show is this weekend. The show is opening with an F-16 doing a supersonic pass to commorate Chuck Yeager’s breaking the sound barrier. And, in the afternoon, there will be a B-1 demonstration. The B-2 demo has been scratched.

If any of you DO make it, look for a fat, balding guy with a gray goatee in a Boy Scout uniform. That’ll be me.

Mike

Ok iam not perfict by know means, I guess i was miss informed on my info. Sorry.

You can see the little “supersonic clouds” appearing around
the aircraft in this video. Sorta like in the F18 image above.
Yet there is no distinct sonic boom that I could hear.

Thanks for sharing. That’s a really cool video.

MikeV;

Well the F-111’s where designed to to Mach 1 at 200 ft above the ground, the B-1A was designed to do Mach 2 at altitude, But the B-1B was redesigned to do Mach 1 at 200-500 ft above the ground like it’s little sister the F-111’s, but during airshows here in the States they are regulated to fly no faster then 500 mph, but with that plane it depends on the air density but I remember the F-100’s the Colorado Air National Guard flew a few times in airshows they where under the Mach level but still caused a sonic boom when the past through the canyons of Colorado’s Rocky Mountians, So I beleive that Yes the Bone did set off the alarms but it might have been from the engine noise over the speed noise, I’ve seen a Bone do an arial demo and it did the same display the F-15 demo team does and talk about impressive, then the USAFA’s football team won their game at the same time the Bone was doing it’s demo and they flew over the USAFA’s statium and then did a high speed bombing pass over Colorado Springs with her wings swept back and when she passed in front of the airshow it sounded like a freight train passing at about 100 mph, so there is some idea what the Bone could do

I found your answer Mel :

“The sonic boom is not heard when something goes subsonic!” the re-entry expert said in another email. “Every time a supersonic body flies over an ear at ground level, its bow shock will excite the ear with what we call a ‘sonic boom.’ The sonic boom is influenced by atmospheric effects, body size, rigidity, acceleration, etc. They all contribute to what we call the ‘signature of the sonic boom.’”

Large craft like the space shuttle and the Concorde produce double sonic booms caused by bow shock and wake shock.

“A cluster of supersonic bodies will produce a very complicated sonic boom. Anything can happen, but it will sound more like a long thunder, like a rumble, as the cluster of bodies continues to break down. The shock waves coalesce and form a complicated acoustic pulse.”

Small bodies a few inches across - including shuttle tiles - would not produce sonic booms," he said. And while higher Mach numbers yield stronger booms, higher altitudes tend to weaken the boom.

This extrack was taken from this article:

http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts107/030218caib/

That was a good question. Till I researched this, I didn’t realize that the shuttle, as well as any large aircraft, produces 2 seperate SBs. The SBs come from the nose and the tail causing 2 wakes.

Later,

TailspinTom

Well doesn’t have to do with a B-1, but I was at an Airshow where a plane did go supersonic by mistake (at least that was what the announcer said).

It was at Rickenbacker ANG base south of Columbus, OH back in the late 80’s. An F-14 was performing and the announcer said it broke the sound barrier in a vertical climb and since it was climbing it took the sonic boom up with it. (I am not an expert, but this sounded believable at the time, I was only a teenager back then). The announcer said that it went supersonic, then retracted and said that he wasn’t supposed to say that since it was an FAA violation, so he told everyone to forget about what he just said. I thought this was interesting at the time so I remembered it.( I guess I didn’t listen to him)

Also at another time at the same airshow, different year I was walking through the parking lot when an F-14 was performing and it too tripped all the car alarms (however back then (1980’s) there was not as many car alarms as today). I believe like others said it was the viberation that tripped the alarms as when the F-14 performed I always felt the vibration, and yes the B-1 creates alot of viberation as well.

It seems like the F-14 liked to create havoc when at Rickenbacker. Sad thing no more F-14’s at airshows and no more Rickenback Air Shows either. I miss the 1980’s.

I say BS! The F-15 Eagle is the only plane to break the sound barrier in a vertical climb I read.

Of course Eagles rule!

Tom – Thanks for clarifying the double sonic boom for me. I’ve always wondered about it.

MikeV – I think you are confusing the fact that the F-15, in clean configuration and not too heavy, can accelerate in a vertical climb, because it has a thrust-to-weight ratio of greater than 1:1. And it is no longer the only aircraft in that class. I believe, for example, the new EF-2000 can do it too, and maybe the F-22, though I may be confusing my types. That was a big deal in the '70s and '80s, when the F-15 was newer, but not today.

As for going supersonic in a vertical climb, pretty much any airplane that is capable of going that fast can do it in a zoom climb. That is, getting up a great head of steam in a straight line or slight dive then abruptly hauling back on the stick and heading for heaven. It’s all about energy, and as long as you continue accelerating and increasing your energy, you can go as fast as your airplane is capable of until the energy starts bleeding off in the climb.

With all the thrust available to an F-14, though it did not quite have a 1:1 T/W ratio, and as big and heavy as it was, it was still as fast as the proverbial scalded ape. And if it was motoring along accelerating near Mach one in a straight line, as long as you kept the throttle at the stops, it would continue to accelerate for some time in a climb, depending upon its airspeed and energy at the time it went into the vertical.

TOM

Well I dont want to be wayyyy off now do I…just that of all the shows I have seen at Edwards, no one has ever gone supersonic. At ease!

Then you did not go this weekend did ya!