http://www.saak.nl/panzer1/index.htm
Nice link w/some great photos.
Holy jeez, that picture of the Panzer IV that took a hit from a naval gun is astonishing. [:O]
Thanks for the link.
Absolutely great photos! Thanks for posting them. Does not appear to be a great deal of rust on these tanks. Why is that?
The units stationed in Normandy prior to the landings were often issued new equipment since this was also an area used for the forming and fit-out of new units. Once the Germans got wind of a possible Allied landing, they even went so far as to pull out units from the Eastern Front and rearmed and re-equipped them in France…the 9th and 10th SS are one example of this. They also had the added bonus of not being on the front lines prior to the invasion and with ready access to supply depots, maintenance, etc.
The whole idea of rust on tanks, aside from normal superficial rust that would accumulate on tracks and exhausts, is something that has more to do with artistic/aesthetic interpretation than accurate representation when depicted on models…but that’s a whole different thread of its own if we decide to go down that road again. [;)]
Thanks for the clarification. As you might suspect, I’m not a big fan of the “rust bucket” school of modeling. I’ve been modeling trains for over 30 years and this debate arises frequently in that modeling field. I’ve only been back to armor modeling for a short period of time, but see this as an issue of constant debate on this and other sites. Artistic interpretation is all good and well. That is why Dali, Manet, Monet and Van Gogh all have their respective followings. They, among many others, are true artists. However, for me, armor modeling is not interpretive art. For me, it is an effort to replicate a point in time of a particular vehicle.
That said, I fully appreciate the modeling skills involved in applying the finishes of a well-worn, rusted, poorly maintained vehicle. That such a vehicle would have been seen in the field is another matter open to debate. As you said, perhaps that is the basis of another thread.
Sad to say but the webmaster scanned and posted photos and drawings from the book “The Panzers and the Battle of Normandy”. Pirated phots and drawings-- the whole bunch.
Yep, you’re right…great book…
Interesting thing is, if you try to right click on any of them to save them it says copyright to the website owner. Those images honestly are not scans. They might be photo’s taken of the book with good camera equipment, but they are not scans. If they were scans they wouldn’t look as nice due to the way printing works and the high quality of modern scanners it would amplify the effect of the dots of ink used in printing.
Is it possible that the guy who has that site, is the owner of the pictures used in the book? I know Squadron uses photo’s sent in by contributors, and the contributor retains the original copyright. Could that be the case here? If not I’d be interested in knowing how he got those pics if they are not scanned.
In the collection of images are actual paintings that are solely included in George Bernage’s book. Unless this site owner is either the artist or the book publisher, how can they be his images?
That, plus the almost exact replication of photos in the book tell me that this site is a stinker.
Yeah for sure. Great online source for looking at the pics but if he’s not the artist, photographer, or the publisher, then he’s a stinker for doing it like he did.
My only point is they aren’t scans from the book. No matter how high res and nice the book is. They may be scans but not from the book. Even artists books which are of the highest print quality, will show up funky looking when scanned. I usually scan at 300DPI but occasionally go up to around 8000(8 thousand) DPI, if absolutely needed, and I have the hard drive space. Book image scans always show up funky looking due to the printing process. This really does have me curious now how the site owner obtained the images. I think I might have to look into this.
personally i think rust on AFV’s is often over stated on models. When you look at real AFV’s in real situations there isn’t mutch. And it isn’t just that they are new. I’ve seen vehicles several years old that haven’t been painted that don’t have rust. The only place it seem to build up is on the tracks when they are static for a while. Even the spare links and metal track ropes don’t tend to get mutch.