Newbie needing advice on basic tools

Hey all,

I have been lurking on these forums for a long time, and with the power of the internet, I have been able to read up on the wealth of knowledge on all these modeling techniques required to produce those great looking models at my LHS. I modeled a bit as a kid, and gave it up as mine never looked like the ones in the store. So, with all the information out there, I want to give it another go. Plus, I bought a house and I have a garage just waiting to set up shop. I’m interested in aircraft modeling and wanted to ask a few basic questions.

Airbrush, compressor and paint booth. I’m not expecting greatness right out of the gate as I can imagine getting good at airbrushing is a life long practice. Do you need to have a paint booth in order to use one of these? I will be painting in the garage which will be open, with a window just above my head (I already have a countertop to sit at). Between a compressor (I’m looking at a $100 3 gallon oiless sears model), and a entry level airbrush, it’s an awful lot of money to spend on something I haven’t really done before. I know that a lot of people suggest getting as nice of stuff as you can in the beginning, but, I don’t want to go drop $1,000 on paint, brushes, compressors, airbrushes and haven’t built a model since I was 14 (I am 33).

the paint booth, even if I built it myself, can easily add another $100 in materials, so… do I need one? Pros and cons of not using one?

Thanks for the advice.

First, welcome to the forums! [snWcm]

Since you plan on just modeling in your garage, I assume you live somewhere warm or at least have a heated garage. So, anyway, about the paint booth. It sounds like that since you have the window, you have good ventilation already. BUT if you want a truly ventilated area to work in, then, yes, you’ll want a spray booth. Plus remember that since the window is right by where you model, watch out for rain. You wouldn’t want to get water in your modeling area.

Overall, a spray booth is the best idea.

I am also new to this airbrushing thing, and this is what I am using, and I assume this is the one you are looking at.

I also got this dessicant filter for it.

Good luck.

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Welcome to the forums!

I also live in a climate where I can model in my garage. I have been using an airbrush for about 15 years now and have never used a spray booth. I’ve always worked with the garage door open and when it gets warm, roughly in April and ending about November, I have fans going to blow fumes outside. I also use a good respirator while airbrushing which I would recommend even if you do get or build a booth.

I wouldn’t go out and spend a large sum of money up front without knowing for certain that you really want to pursue this hobby. I’d get a relatively inexpensive airbrush (double action as that is what you will eventually end up with, so I’d just skip the single action AB and start learning how to use the double action model). Scour the internet for tips on everything model-related.

6stringer,

Welcome to the forums! [<:o)] Help as you will find is but a few keystrokes away. Congratulations on the house and, with that you get to set up the hobby area ANY way you see fit.

It sounds like you’ve got the compressor covered. Make sure you get an inline filter to trap moisture. Nothing says aggravation like getting that perfect coat of paint laid down only to have water spatter out and ruin it. Another thing that is a must, paint booth or not, is a quality respirator. Get one that has a pre-filter & activated charcoal canisters. The pre-filters are usually N95 types… in short good… it’s what I use at work to protect myself against those with TB. The pre-filters takes care of the particulate matter while the canisters take care of the vapors. You can pick these up for about $30-50. Trust me you do not want trashed lungs. Also pick up some simple masks to protect your lungs from dust from sanding.

As for a paint booth if you can fabricate one, perfect! If not and or cannot afford one just make sure that your garage is well ventilated. ( See also above in reference to a respirator.) If you do fabricate one, make sure you use a blower motor that will not come into contact with the vapors you are venting. Squirrel cage blowers work well for this.

Airbrushes. Myself, I started with a Badger 200 single action model that I got when i was 13 (now 43) and I still have it. It is my work horse for projects that don’t require very fine detail. It still works great. Some folks prefer the Aztek airbrush. I’ve never used this type so I cannot speak to how well it works. I’ve got two others that I use for the detail work. A Badger 150 and an Iwata CM-C+. Both are double action types. There is a bit of a learning curve associated with the double action models.

Brushes. Buy a nice set to start with. If you take care of them they will last a long time. In the long run you won’t be sorry for purchasing quality brushes.

Paint. Just buy what you need to start with. You will find that you will accumulate these over time. Along with all of the other tools and, various things. Not to mention kits.

I know I’ve thrown a lot of info at you but, if you have any questions or require clarifying just ask.

I hope this helps you

Cheers

Dave

6stringer (I’ll assume you play guitar!),

Spray booths are nice to have, but not necessary. I use a home built one, but my booth is in my basement and I don’t want to expose my family to any fumes or particles. It’s also nice to use as a drying space, mine has doors to keep the dust down. But they are expensive to make or purchase, and you can easily put off acquiring one until you are ready.

DO get a respirator, they only run $25-50, and are a must, no matter how well you think something is ventilated.

The following is a user guide I’m in the (long and painfully slow) process of writing to help newbies make the right decision when shopping for their first airbrush. Since you’ve already sorted out the compressor (I use a 3 gallon “pancake” tank garage compressor, myself), you can skip that part. Until I gather more information on other types of airbrushes, my recommendations are limited to the “big three”: Badger; Iwata and Paasche:

Actually, there’s a separate forum for this topic, but since you’re here, I add my opinion…

The Safety-Nazis will demand you do so, along with googles and respirators and a portable air supply, also to wrap your child in bubble-wrap and put him back in the womb to get him across the street… (ok, I was kidding about that, but really, since you’re not painting on a industrial or commercial-level, you can get by with a dust mask (when you use acrylics, or a standard quarter-mask if you use enamels & laquers)) if you’re worried… Personally, think it’s a crock… I’ve been airbrushing and spray painting without one (spray booth) for 40 years… If you don’t mind the smell of solvents, it’s a luxury… Some people are sensitive to it, but personally, I LIKE the smell of paint solvents, the wife doesn’t mind either… I airbrush over a trash can in the War Room, or on a Lazy Susan. Rattle-cans too… When I use rattle-cans, I just turn the fan on that’s sitting in the window to cut the overspray from landing on other work. Since you’re gonna be out i the garage, it’s a moot point… A supply of fresh, moving air is eough. Just make sure that you don’t have anything “down-wind” you don’t want overspray to get on, or cover it.

I’m a realist, so you won’t hear me advocate spending money on anything you don’t absolutely have to have at the beginning, ever… You don’t buy a 747 when you haven’t even soloed in a Piper Cub, ya know…

As for airbrushes & compressors, there’s all kinds of schools of thought… My opinion is this: If you’re just starting out, and don’t know i this will be a life-long hobby, you’re best bet is to start small & cheap. I started airbrushing with a 25.00 single-action, external mix Badger. They only allow you to paint with about the same level of accuracy as a rattle-can, but that’s just fine for one, two, & three-color camouflage jobs… In fact, I’ve done a large number of camo-jobs with only a rattle can… It’s masking that makes the real difference, not the spray apparatus…

For intricate, multi-colored, & complicated camouflage, like the German Nightfighter “squiggles” or Italian aircraft types, you’ll have to trade up… German-type fuselage mottling though, can be done by shooting through a paper mask held just off the surface. You’ll have to check you refferences though… Some were actually brush-painted, and still others had a mixture of brush-applied and sprayed mottling, especially late-war fighters where the tail assembly was made in one factory, and the fuseleage in another. (This is readily apparent in Bf-109s with the wooden tails)

My current AB set-up is a Paasche 45630 single-action, internal mix (35.00 at Hobby Lobby w/ 40% coupon) and a knock-off of the Testor’s Blue Mini air compressor that I got new on Ebay for 16.00(They run about 100.00 at Hobby Lobby, but again, use the 40% coupon). You can’t adjust the air pressure on it, it’s all-on or all-off, but that’s not that important right now… If I need to, a storage tank will allow me to regulate pressure (actually, that’s the best way to do it anyway). Before I got the compressor, I used a lawn mower rear tire for an air supply. Refills were a block away at the gas station. I just went to the plumbing store and but various fittings together until I had a tire-to-hose connection. Cost , about 15.00… A water-trap is probably a good idea with that kind of set-up in a garage. But you pobably won’t notice a difference until you paint on regular basis, and for a couple hours at a stretch…

Here’s one spot where I agree with not being cheap though… Brushes… Don’t skimp on these… I personally am a fan of Grumbacher Red Sable brushes, but I’ll buy others as well… Largely though, I recommend two of each of the following:

#4 Round

#1-Round

#0 Round

#00 Round

#6 Flat

#4 Flat

#4 Bright or Filbert (for pastels)

Regarding your rounds, the most important part is the brush point. That’s what you’re paying for, so you need to take care of them. They’re expensive but worth it, and with proper care will last years. Look them over carefully before you buy rounds… If the point is the least bit deformed, put it back… Also, the reason I said buy two, is I use one set for regular paint, one set for metallics. Also, I keep two sets of brush cleaners for the same reason. It doesn’t take much to contaminate your colors with metallics…

Paints: Everyone has their favorite “Hobby Brands”, but I buy what’s available at my LHS. Tamiya, Testor’s Model Master enamels, Testor’s 1/4 oz. enamels, and Testor’s Model Master rattle-cans. Regarding rattle-cans though… I buy a few colors from Wal Mart, their “True Color” line… Primer, flat & gloss white, black, red, yellow, Insignia and Royal Blues, metallics, and clear. I also buy matte and gloss clear acryilcs from Hobby Lobby (Tree House is the name). These types are half of what “Hobby Brands” of the stuff are and you get three times the paint. Also, don’t disregard the “Arts & Crafts” acryilc paints. They have gobs of colors that are the same as the Hobby Brand FS colors, but a third of the price… You just have to take your color chips or whatever along with you to compare say, “Flat Olive Green” (3/4 oz @ $3.99) to “Kentucky Spring Moss” (2 oz. @ $1.29)…

Oil paints: I use them quite a bit, mostly on figures, but they can be thinned for washes, or even used in an airbrush (If you know what you’re doing). Plus, you can mix practically any color you need with them a lot easier that with bottled paints. The small-tube sets have about 12 colors and cost about 16.00.

Well, that’s about all I got to say about that… I know it’s long-winded, but I just wanted to let ya know that you don’t to spend an arm & a leg to get set up fairly well… Couple hundred bucks will get you going pretty good… Oh yeah, don’t forget the basics… Side-cutters, X-Acto knife & blades, a razor saw, pin vise & bit-set (get one with a hollow handle for bit stowage), and a couple good ruler/straight-edges…

Hope I helped, and welcome to the Funhouse…

Thanks so much for the responses. Very friendly forum!

Does anyone have any advice on those $100 craftsman compressors for sale at Sears? There is a 1.5 gallon ($100) model, and a 3 gallon model ($169.99), as well as a three gallon pancake model. They reviews are basically crap, although most of them are from home DIY and not modelers.

Is it worth it to even buy one of those?

As I mentioned above, I use a 3 gallon pancake garage compressor.

For very light duty DIY, they’re ok, not great. I use mine for driving a staple gun occasionally. You’re certainly not going to be able to use it to run a nailgun building your deck on the weekend, unless you take a lot of beer breaks! They take a long time to pump up car tires, but are pretty quick with the kid’s bikes. That’s why the reviews aren’t very good.

As an airbrush compressor they work perfectly fine. Airbrushes don’t care where the air comes from, as long as it’s clean and dry.

I bought mine on sale for less than $100. You can get dedicated airbrush compressors at that price point, or even less at places like TCP Global. I went the garage style route for the dual purpose nature. When and if mine breaks, I’ll replace it with a 20 gallon unit, as I would use mine for DIY more than airbrushing.

I live in FL and do most of my modeling in my garage. In 25 years of airbrushing, I’ve never had a paint booth. I set up a large cardboard box on a workmate stand to catch any overspray. I get a new box whenever the old one gets too saturated with paint.

I’ve got a respirator mask that I use if I’m planning on a long painting session (especially when using lacquers), but most of the time just use disposable dust masks. I usually keep the garage door open whenever I’m painting and have a box fan by the workbench that I run to move the air and keep cool.

I’ve found that an in-line moisture trap is essential, particularly on humid days here in FL. I’ve ruined a couple of paint jobs by getting moisture trapped in clear overcoats.

I still use my original Badger 350 for most of my painting, along with my little oil-less piston compressor. It’s noisy, but I’ve mounted it on a padded board which helps. The key thing is to thoroughly clean your airbrush after every session; not just by spraying thinner/cleaning throught it, but disassembling it and cleaning all the parts. I bought a dual action Badger 150 last year, but am still learning to use it.

Mark

I have a 2 gallon Craftsman compressor, I’ve used for about 10 years. My only complaint, I wish I bought one with a bigger tank. The compressor is pretty loud so its nice to be able to work off the tank, and 2 gallons just doesn’t seem to be enough to get me through a project. If you are in the garage spending the money for a quiet compressor probably isn’t a high priority. The only downside to buying a non-hobby compressor is you will need an adaptor to go from the compressor to the airbrush but that is a minor issue ($3-4 for the adaptor). Personally if I was buying a compressor again, I’d probably try to get one with a 5 gallon tank.

I almost never use an airbrush. I have pretty decent brush painting skills and use a spray can for the things I can’t really do with a brush.

I would suggest starting with a single action air brush. I bought a nice Paasche double action VLS and almost never use it, because it is kind of complicated. I thought I was being smart spending a little more for something I could grow into but instead it just sits in the box because I just can’t get the hang of it. Now I’m thinking about getting a decent inexpensive single action, hoping that I might actually use that to get comfortable, then can move onto the double action. I did try one of those $10 Harbor Freight airbrushes thinking I could use it like a spray can, but that was a little too cheap.

Double action lets you adjust the airflow and paint with your finger as you paint, single action pre-sets these functions so you just push a button to get paint like on a spray can. You really only need a double action when you start to get into complex camo schemes like you find on many WW2 German and Italian aircraft.

To keep you start up costs lower, it would be good to pick a theme for your first few models, say WW2 USAAF aircraft (P-38, P-40, P-47, P-51) in the European OD over grey scheme. That way you can just focus on the colors you need for one group of aircraft. Paint is not cheap running $3-4 a bottle, so if you can stick to 8 or 10 colors to start you will save a lot. Then as you decide you will stay with the hobby you can expand your colors as you buy more models. If you were to start out with a P-51 Mustang, F6F Hellcat, Spitfire, Me109, and Zero you could easily spend $200 getting all the colors you need.

You should also decide fairly early if you want to go with enamels or acrylics. Both have their supporters so that is a topic all of its own.

Take a look around the forums, there have been lots of threads for finding cheap tools. For example the cosmetic aisle can provide sanding sticks, tweasers and shading powders for much less than the hobby shop charges.