I’m trying to figure out a photograph, I wonder if you can tell if this Jagdtiger have zimmerit or not.
Unfortunatly I cant post it here because there is no url. So I’ll have to give you directions.
First go to: www.tigerpanzer.de
click on Eingang.
on the left page you’ll see a list of armored vehicles. click on Jagdtiger.
on the the left page click on Gallerie III.
The pic I’m looking at is the one in middle from the line of pics at the bottom.
Click on the image and there you’ll see a jagdtiger porsche no.314.
A second image of this Jagd, is at Gallerie II.
bottom line of pics, second from left. this is a front pic.
Yes some of them did it was on the sides of hull as usual even the fenders did at times and it only went roughly half way up the turret ,stopped where the first set of spare track links are (going up from the hull) I do have a whole book on the jagdtiger and tried to take a pic but it was to fuzzy, I will try again alittle later if you want I will get my friends cam.
And if you look at the first set of pics on the site you have there 3rd pic it has the zim on it so does the second pic 4th row like I was explaining it has its fenders done as well.
Here is a link click on it and then on ATAK first set of parts is for the jagdtiger also some other good stuff[:D]
Thundergod you dont have to go to your friend for this one. I dont want you to get out of your cozy home just for that. thanks a lot for your willingness, it’s sure nice of you.
Thanks Larry, now it’s gonna be easier.
BTW how did you do it, bringin the photos here? I’ll need to learn that…
From the first shot I say no, the tone on the hull sides (front and rear) are too even and the number and cross also look to be stenciled instead of hand painted.
On the second shot there appears to be some diagonal lines between the bow mg mount and the right fender (our left) but I can’t say for sure that it is zim.
From that first pic, I would say not. You can see the dirt line where the fender was and this would lead me to believe that if there was zim there, then you would be able to see it. If you have to be 100% sure, I would try to find out a bit about the unit history. When were these vehicles assigned to the unit, and are there pictures of any other vehicles in the unit?
Just as a guess, this vehicle was probably made during, or after the month of September and the application of zim was ended in the beginning of September. I would say no, there is no zim on it.
That’s a tough call, but I think there’s enough evidence in those two pictures to conclude that there’s zimmerit on that vehicle. Edog is probably right, if you have to 100% sure some better information is needed.
To me, the first shot shows the vehicle’s lines sufficientlu sharply to indicate that there’s no zimm on it. I was suspicious of that second shot, though. In old, poor photos, zimmerite often doesn’t appear as waves of lines. More often, it looks like someone very neatly applied mud to the front of the vehicle.
The Russians say that the Zimm may or may not have been useful for magnetic explosives, but it was definitely good at breaking the sharp edges of the German vehicles, and if you look at the first pic, it has much less sharp edges than in the first pic.
Final answer has already been said, though – more research is necessary to determine. The vehicle seems to have been captured. What was its fate? Was it scrapped or sent to the US or UK for analysis?
After looking and zooming in at the front pic, you can see that where the glacis meet, at the front end, you can clearly see the weld lines, clearly no zimm there.
But when looking above the weld line and below the gun travel lock, you can see faint lines. could be zimm but could be shadows??
Looking at the ball Mg mount and the fender you can see some diagonal lines, like claymore stated, these look like the circuled zimmerit that you can see something around the bow Mg’s.
Also look at glacis just right off the tree, it’s clear there are more lines. but again maybe more shadows?
However the front fenders appear to be clean of any lines.
Looking at the second pic, you can see the line of where the fender was before. unlike edog, it looks to me, that maybe there was zimmerit there but it may have fainted a bit.
However there might be just a difference of colours there as the upper colour is Dunkelgelb and below the line of the fender it’s Red primer…
When I look at the nomber indeed it looks stenciled BUT(!) it looks like it’s painted on some rectangle, just like Jagdpanzer IV.
I come to that, because there is a clear line between the nomber and the cross.
It also looks that the darker colour, maybe panzer braun, is not ‘weavee’
enough as this rectangle, is breaking it . but then again maybe I’m all wrong.[banghead]
So do you think the heard edged camo was applied on the field? or maybe the factory?
Sorrey brian, had to ask[:D][(-D][:D][(-D]
Gentlemen, you can argue about these photos until the cows come home, but there is a definite answer. The Jagdtiger in question is chassis # 305012, the last Porsche Jagdtiger built. This vehicle, attached to s.Pz.Jg.Abt.653, lost it’s transmission near Morsbronn on March 16th, 1945. Jagdtiger chassis # 305010 was the last Jagdtiger built with zimmerit. So, no zimmerit was present on this vehicle. This information is taken from the book; Jagdtiger, the Most Powerful Armoured Fighting Vehicle of World War II, volume 2, Operational History, by Andrew Devey. ISBN: 0-7643-0751-7. These two volumes are the definitive study of this vehicle and it’s operations.
