My talk with Keith Anderson - B-17 pilot 398th BG, and Aluminum Overcast

Recently, my wife wife and I had the opportunity to drive up to Truckee California to see “Aluminum Overcast”, a beautifully restored B-17G that is still in excellent flying condition. In fact, you can purchase rides on the B-17 for $350 to $399. It is touring the country as we speak, so if you’re interested, I highly recommend you go see it as it really is a gorgeous plane. I took many pictures of the exterior of the plane. You can see the complete album here.

http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/Zushia/Aluminum%20Overcast%20Truckee/

Here are a couple of shots.

While we were up there we met a really nice gentlemen named Keith Anderson, a former B-17 Pilot. He flew with the 600th Squadron, 398th BG, many times as the lead pilot for the Squadron, Group and Wing.

Here is a photo of Keith Anderson

and one of the two of us during our visit together.

My wife and I spent several hours talking with him and really enjoyed his stories. He was kind enough to autograph a couple of pictures we got gotten from the souvenir booth.

He related many of his experiences to us and I’ll do my best to put some of them here. Just keep in mind I’m typing this up from memory as I didn’t have a recorder with me. I didn’t realize a couple of veteran B-17 pilots were going to be there otherwise I would have been better prepared.

Keith Anderson flew B-17s in combat from May 1944 until the end of the war in 1945. I asked him if he had any harrowing encounters with German fighter aircraft and he mentioned that by that time of the war the back of the Luftwaffe had been broken and the escort fighters did a great job of protecting them, although the Germans were still able to knock down bombers. He said one of the best sights they’d ever see was when the escorts would ditch their drop tanks as they knew that the fighters were going to give the Germans a good run for their money. He said it was such a beautiful sight, seeing all those drop tanks glittering in the sun falling towards the earth.

The biggest danger, he said, was the flak. The Germans would set the fuses on the 88mm flack shells to go off at a certain altitude, and then they’d just saturate the area where the bombers were flying through. Sometimes they got lucky and the fuses would be set too low, which would cause all the shells to explode say 500 feet below them, for example. There wasn’t anything you could do about the flak either. It was indiscriminate and it was more a matter of luck than anything else on whether or not you got hit.

I asked him if he had ever seen an Me 262 on any of his missions. He said that he hadn’t, but that reminded him of a great story to tell me. He said that on one mission, they had just finished forming up with their units and were on their way out from their base when all of a sudden they lost a cylinder from the number 2 engine. Parts went flying out of the engine making one heck of a racket. They tried to feather the prop, but the mechanism had been damaged so they couldn’t. Because of their speed the prop kept rotating, which continued the disintegration of the engine and it soon caught on fire. At this point they realized they were in trouble. When the wing began to catch fire they knew it was time to go. They set the plane on autopilot and they all bailed out. They landed near Farnborough, an important English airbase. Keith mentioned the role of Farnborough was similar to that of Wright Patterson in Dayton Ohio. Anyway, they were picked up and brought to Farnborough where they happened to see several very strange looking aircraft. Their design was very unusual and oddly enough they didn’t have any propellers?!? How did they move? They found out later that they were Gloster Meteors. At the time, they had no idea such things even existed! I can imagine seeing those for the first time must have been really something, as all airplanes up to that time were propeller driven. Very cool.

We talked a little about how he wound up flying B-17s. He said it wasn’t really a choice he got to make. When they went on from basic flight training to advanced training he was selected, along with a couple of his buddies to move on to bomber flight training. It was pretty much just random luck as to who moved on to do bombers and who flew fighters. He had originally wanted to be a fighter pilot when he first entered the service. He was fortunate enough to get to fly in the P-51 Mustang after the war.

He told us about some of his missions and again, I really wish I had brought a recorder with me. I’ll recount the little tidbits that I remember.

Since they flew B-17 Flying Fortresses, they generally flew most of their missions between 27,000 and 31,000 feet. The B-24 Liberator couldn’t fly that high so those usually flew around 24,000 feet. He was frequently the lead pilot for his squadron, group and even led the wing on one or more occasions. I asked him if it was difficult flying as the lead plane and he said that was the easiest thing to do as you would just set the autopilot, turn at the appropriate way points and all the other planes of the formation would have to work hard to stay in position. This also meant that the followers used up fuel faster than the lead planes.

He said that usually only 2 or 3 of the lead planes would have a Norden bombsight in them. The rest of the planes dropped their loads when they saw the lead plane drop theirs. It wasn’t necessary for them all to have bombsights because they were all supposed to drop their bombs at once, thus saturating the entire area of the target and hopefully knocking out all the important stuff. He said they never ran into a situation where all the lead planes with the bombsights were shot down, it never happened.

Keith Anderson began flying missions not too long after “Big Week”, May of 1944. He mentioned several of the target cities he’d been to. I can recall him mentioning Leipzig, Berlin, Munich, Saarbrucken, Kiel, Merseburg and others. He said the flak around Berlin was always particularly heavy. His Bomb Group also provided tactical bombing support during the D-Day invasion, Market Garden, Battle of the Bulge and during the crossing of the Rhine.

He said a few things about a new Group leader they had, who spent a lot of time berating them for their flying, and always telling them they were doing everything wrong. Many of the pilots resented him for that as they were all experienced veterans with a good track record. After one mission in particular, he got on them pretty harshly about their formation flying and ordered them to fly much closer to each other, which they did on the very next mission against their better judgment. Sure enough, two B-17s in their formation collided, resulting in the loss of both planes. Needless to say this lowered their opinion of their leader even more.

On one particular mission to Dresden, the Group leader made some navigation mistakes and led two of the squadrons to the “target” and accidentally wound up bombing Prague Czechoslovakia, while Keith took his squadron to the real target, Dresden. At this point in the war Keith said he felt really sorry for the German people. Their cities were destroyed and he knew many were suffering from the war. At this point they all just wanted to get the war over as quickly as possible.

There were a lot of other things that Keith said during our conversations and man do I wish I had recorded them! He was such a nice gentleman, and was a real pleasure to talk with. If you ever get the chance to meet him, go say hi to him, he really enjoys talking with people about his experiences.

Very interesting, thanks for posting. Down here in Florida they have the B-24 Dragon Lady and a B-17 come down and you can get a ride for $100. The cool part was when it was the morning at about 7 O’clock and I heard some noise that didn’t sound like the airliners and went out side as the B-24 flew over my house with all four engines at about 2,000 ft. Very interesting sight though. Again, thanks for posting.

David

Excellent story.

Thanks for sharing.

Mike

What an outstanding experience, Scott! Your pics are superb, and will be a major help to me, as I planning a build of the Aluminum Overcast in the near future. The reference materila is perfect! Thanks for posting!

Brian [C):-)]

Thanks guys. I really enjoyed my time talking with him. Really a nice gentleman. [:)]

Brian, if you would like, I can burn the original photos onto a CD and send them to you. The originals were at a much higher resolution (the camera is 10 Megapixels [;)]) so the ones posted through photobucket have been resized. Just a thought if the ones in the album aren’t detailed enough. Or if you need a couple in particular, I can send you just the ones you need via e-mail. That goes for anyone else who would like to use them for reference. [:)]

Scoot,

WOW!!! Email is inbound for you! Thanks a million!

Brian [C):-)]

Scott, You must have literally been on cloud 9! I remember going to air shows when I was little with my father. He would always stop and talk to the Pilots of the palnes and the guests that were there. Guys that had written books. I remember just thinking and saying to him one time, Dad can we just go and see the planes.?! He said to me “Christopher, any chance you get to talk to a veteran about their experiences Listen hard. Their sacrifices and those of the men that aren’t here to tell thier stories Are priceless. They fought for the freedoms that you have today.” One of the men I met was George Gay ( may he rest in Peace) It was weird because I had just seen the movie Midway about a week before meeting him. I really wish I paid a lot more attention now. If I only Knew then what I KNOW now. That would had been a great time for a recorder. I wish I still had the book he autographed for me. My Uncle was a vetran of WWII but I never really asked him much about it when he was alive. I’m getting ready for a WWII weekend and air show in Reading Pa. in June. I can’t wait. Thanks for reminding me about the recorder! To all our vetrans past and present. THANK YOU FOR doing what you DO and DID.

Chris

P.s. here’s the link for that airshow if anyone’s in PA. around then.WELCOME TO THE MID-ATLANTIC AIR MUSEUM’S WORLD WAR II WEEKEND

It’s interesting hearing stories like those, I just finished reading a book about the eighth with a fair bit of Eaker, I guess when I hear first person accounts of things I’ve read in the history books it helps bring home for a 26 yearold like myself that as far as that is from any reality I know, that these guys were there, that they lived all these things that are so far from anything I can really comprehend. Crazy stuff, I’m glad guys like this are out there talling their stories.

Well written, Scott!

Thanks for sharing, Scott. I’m currently interviewing a former Lancaster mid-upper gunner who flew mainly in 43 and 44. Amazing what these guys did.

I’m hoping to go to that airshow next year, Chris!

The thing I love about all these WWII vets is that they all seem so willing to talk with us, and share their experiences.

My Uncle Herman Rinke (now deceased) served in the German Army during WWII. I remember as a kid just being riveted by all the unbelievable stories he used to tell us about his experiences on the Russian front. He was captured several times by the Russians, but managed to escape each time (thankfully!) The war ended for him when he was captured by the British in early 1945. We used to be fascinated with the scars on his calf caused by shrapnel from a Russian mortar shell.

One story in particular really sticks in my head. He was a radio operator in his unit (signals) and told us about a time when they first encountered the T-34. Their positions were being overrun and he and a buddy were fleeing down a dirt road in a forest with a T-34 hot on their tail. It fired a shell at them that literally passed between them, missing them both by inches, but they felt it whiz between them. They dove into a ditch and eventually managed to make it through the woods and back to their unit. Man that had to have been frightening. [:O]

I would give almost anything to be able to go back 30 years, and sit around with the rest of my Oma’s (German for Grandma) family, drinking german beer (we were allowed to have a little [:)]) and record all the stories Uncle Herman used to tell us. They all had stories about their farm/estate in Silesia (annexed to Poland after the war) and had harrowing tales of fleeing form the Russians in 1945. In fact, my Opa (Grandfather) served in the German Army in WWI and with the Volksturm in WWII. All stuff that would have been great to have recorded so that I could write up short articles, or even a book.

So those of you who get the opportunities to talk with these people, trust me, you’ll really enjoy it. [:)]

Wow, Scott…I’m truly envious.[:P] What a tremendoues honor to meet a hero like Mr. Anderson. I’m sure this is a visit you will keep in the “fond memory” vault for your lifetime. Thank you for sharing this.

It’s so awesome that so many of you are as passionate about this stuff as I am. [8D]

Wow, what a great experience. I got to meet Tex Hill a few years back at a model show in San Antonio. I talked to him for a while about his experiences and found out that he knew my great uncle (they drank coffee together all the time). When I left, he signed his book that I got at the show. That’s something I will never forget.

I also had a great uncle that drove LCIs at Guadalcanal, Okinawa, Saipan, and Iwo (I think that’s all of them). And HE had some incredible stories. Unfortunately he passed away when I was little so I was never able to talk to him about it (or I did and didn’t pay much attention). My dad, however, had the insight to interview him and record it on audio. That tape is priceless to me now.

There’s a B-25 here in Georgetown at the airport along with a P-40. Though I haven’t had the chance to go out there and check it out yet.

Most people on these forums share a certain degree of enthusiasm for WW2, which is why I like hanging out here.

I love talking to vets, researching and building ww2 subjects and just simply slip off into ww2 mode. Its one reason why I joined a ww2 reenactment group. Cant get enough of it.

By the way, it really doesnt matter if you have a 3 megapixel camera or a 10. The higher pixel count simply means you will have the ability to blow a pic up to the size of a poster if you wanted. But with smaller pics, it pretty much looks the same.

At least thats what I understand about it, just wanted to share. [:P]

Aye, for the most part that is true. The most important things to look for in a digital camera, at least for what I use them for, is a macro setting and an optical zoom. [:D]

Scott-thanks for sharing with the group. It’s always nice to get a first hand account. Sometimes we forget the sacrifices that a generation made for the rest of the world.

btw-if you haven’t already, pick up “Masters of the Air”, a recent release (can’t remember the author) and “Wild Blue” by Stephen Ambrose-both excellent reads regarding the European air war.

Again, thanks for taking the time to share with us. I’m sure that you would have liked to have spent more time with Mr. Anderson. But it’s always good to get these personal accounts of that time in history.

Thanks Bob, and thanks for the book recomendations! I’m really into the European Air War at the moment, so I’ll try to get my hands on those two books. [:)]

Macro setting? I’m not sure what that is.

And I cant figure out the difference between the Optical and Digital zoom.

And to make things worse, I cant figure out how to make the digital zoom work.

Maybe I should read the directions, doh.

A Macro setting allows you to get in really close with the camera, so you can get close detail shots of your models, or a flower, or insects etc.

An optical zoom means the image is zoomed in just as though you were looking through a telescope or binoculars. It uses lenses to make the object appear bigger and closer to you, and retains the image quality.

A digital zoom isn’t really a zoom in the true sense of the word, however the effect is similar. It takes a smaller part of the image that’s in the camera, and digitally blows it up bigger.

An optical zoom doesn’t sacrifice any image quality to make the subject look bigger. A digital zoom sacrifices quality as it takes the small section of the digital picture, and expands it.

You’ll notice in my model pics (especially when I was first learning my camera) that when I zoom in really close using the digital zoom the pictures are grainier and the detail isn’t as good. Whenever possible I try to only use the macro setting and the 3x optical zoom, which helps maintain the best picture quality.

I would recommend playing around with the camera and try different combinations of settings, and see how they impact the image. If you can master those things, you’ll take much better shots. [:)]