I was reading my Wehrmacht Panzer divisons book when I saw this camo and I thought wow that looks pretty cool. 4 hours later my Stuart is dressed in it. So tell me what you think.
Are you saying that you’ve applied a German scheme to an allied tank? Or do you have a reference that an actual Stuart was schemed this way?. Either way, I think you would have been better served in applying some basic finishing techniques to the plain ol’ OD green, like washes, shading, pigments etc. If you are an entry level modeler, which your work suggests, there are some things you can do, even with a brush:
But if it makes you happy??? Whom am I to judge? Honestly, I don’t care for it, but thats’ just an opinion, please don’t be personally offended, but you asked. [;)]
Here’s what I mean about adding some texture and depth to the OD paint job, if I may make a suggestion:
first apply your “base” OD color of choice:
then, hit the panels with lighter shades to add depth:
finally use pigments and oils to add some dirt and stains:
I am not an expert on the Stuart by any means, but I don’t think I have ever seen that cammo pattern in the historical pictures of M3’s that I have seen. My suggestion is to pick a photograph of the real thing and then model it. Even if you are developing your skills, go for it, it is really the way to progress and refine your talents.
regards,
Steve
hellcat man i like the scheme but as crocket said you may be better off practicing the basic technigeus
My grandfather served in the Canadian tank forces and one of his friends decided to paint his Stuart like the Germans painted their tanks so it’s kind of dedicated to him
Well ,he must have been a complete [censored], painting your tank like the enemy vehicles that the entire Allied Army, Navy and Air Forces are trying to destroy?
I mean I realize the Germans did this during the Ardennes, complete with additions to make ersatz M10’s from Panthers, but that was for infiltration purposes and to keep the jabos from attacking during daylight movement. But, an allied commander allowing this?
Hmmmm…better check that story. The Canadian Armor Forces were/are some of the best tankers in the world. I find that really hard to believe, but if your grandaddy says so?. Got a picture?
You might want to paint the roadwheel rubber on your model there guy…
regards,
Steve
Hellcat man, is that green the sprue color or did you paint it?? Kind of looks like it may be bare styrene. If its unpainted may I suggest painting it even if it is already the base color that you want. And as has been said, the road wheels need a bit of paint. Maybe not pure black but a very dark grey.
As far as the camo, if this info was handed down first person, then I dont see why it couldnt have happened. My grandfather was at Okinawa and if he told me he saw a Jap tank there with pink polka-dots and I wanted to model it I would do so whether there was any photgraphic evidence or the modeling community believed it or not.
Atta Boy Stevie !..way to support young up and coming modelers there. I’d like to see a couple of pics of your 1st builds.
But I’m absolutely sure …they were beyond reproach.
I couldnt agree with you more Joe!! Ive seen more and more posts like these as of late and have bitten my tongue thinking that I had no place to buck the “great masters of FSM”. And I say masters with sincerity because most of the ones who are posting like this are the ones whos work I would one day love to achieve! Is it that master modeler arrogance that inspires post like these??
9 toe, with respect to your sensiblilities about Steve’s post, I have to say that if I were a young modeler asking for critique, I would want the same honest criticism which Steve offered. The thing about his dad being a [censored]–ok, a bit over the top perhaps, but his critiques were IMHO, right on, and I concur with them. Valid point about the illogic of painting an Allied tank like a enemy’s too…anyhoo, lets all take a deep breath!..[:-^][swg]
I agree, Hellcat Man, with the comments here–you need to work on basic skills. I see what looks like white paint overspray on the turret near theTC’s hatch, and in the “creases” by the front fenders. The wheels too, need paint. Steve gave you some really good pointers there; additionally, look up my “DML Hetzer Weathering tutorial” in the “Search” feature of this site. There’s a lot of good info there on advanced weathering techniques once you learn the basics.
Don’t get discouraged, and don’t give up! We’ve seen people make HUGE leaps of skill after being on this site for only a few weeks! Keep modeling! [:D]
I didn’t mean to pick on the guy/kid, I 'm sorry I didn’t offer more encouragement. You’re right, I should have been more patient and gentle. I apologize to everyone. Sorry.
Steve
A comment on painting the Stuart in a German style scheme. Everyone here would pretty much agree that the German forces had a better camoflage system than the Allies. Troops in the field would see this as well. If they happened to have the paint available and were able to, why not camoflage paint the vehicle in a manner like the Germans. Tankers fire on sillhouettes or vehicles firing at them. Paint schemes are low on the recognition scale. As far as the Air Forces go, they will kill anything in a zone that does not display the proper air ID recognition panel. No matter what color its painted. The scheme on this Stuart resembles some of the field applied mud schemes seen occasionally on Allied AFVs to help them blend better with local conditions. If something is gonna improve your chances of survival in your mind, you’re probably gonna try it. There is a saying,“if you can see it, you can hit it. If you can hit it, you can kill it”.
Yes he does need to work on some more detail painting, such as the exhausts, road wheel rubber, etc. But we were all there once.
Awesome points, stikpusher! Much to (re)consider!!!
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Gentelmen, Hellcatman’s original post is labeled…“Feed Back is Very Welcome.” He’s asking for guidance form people who’ve been around some. Several folks have done that then the Feel Good Patrol came in and dissed them for offering the OP what he was asking for. Yeah, he’s a youing guy and looking for help so help him, don’t patronize him.
Im a bit confused here on your post. Are you saying that making personal comments on the individuals sanity and what not was the type of feedback that the OP was wanting in this case?? Or was it more like, how can I make this build better and improve my skills feedback that the poster was wanting? Because I dont think that the friend of his grandfathers sanity or honesty has anything to do with the feedback that hellcat was requesting.
First of all I didn’t insult the guys dad. He said a friend of his grandpa painted his tank like a german panzer. Being an experienced US Army tanker I found the concept simply unbelievable.
Second of all, I apologized. This apparently had no effect on those who are still carrying a grudge for whatever reason, and I have not heard from the original poster, just some individuals who didn’t like the honesty, or me.
Third, the request was for feed back, which I gave, and then offered positive suggestions to the individual, as well as some doubt about the “story”, which I choose to disbelieve.
There is no reason for me take this topic any further. The negative comments have no effect on me whatsoever. I was here before these guys came, and I will be here when they are gone.
The quality of the work dictates the amount of criticism. No matter if you’re a baby or an adult, If you don’t want “feedback”, then don’t ask for it. If you actually read my posts, I never insulted this person, nor will I. The fact of the matter is that it is a poor model…the truth will set you free.
regards,
Steve
Better grow another leg if you wanna continue to put feet in your mouth 'cause thats two.
If you had no reason to apologize…why did you then?
I never said I had no reason to apologize. The fact is that I did. That would be something between the original poster and myself. As for your insulting comment, I have no response.
regards,
Steve
First-I dont think it was ever said that you insulted the guys dad, but his friend. IF you found the concept unbelieveable due to your experience, then fine, but like I said, if the man was there then he was there ya know?
Second-You did apologize which I thought was the right thing to do. I have no grudge against you and will not carry one against you. I guess we just differ in our ways of providing feedback to an individual who obviously A)wants the feedback B) needs advice to improve his skills. Perhaps the reason why you havent heard from the poster is how you came across in the first place? This we wont know until the individual returns, if he returns. There is absolutely nothing wrong with honesty, just dont be a jerk about it!
Third-I think your suggestions were dead on and your techniques are among the best obviously, just look at your work! Your doubts about the story arent the issue here, the issue here is that this guy decided to build this kit and dedicate it to the individual who was there and lived in this vehicle. Its not like he said he took out 10 Tigers alone, its just a simple camo job so why not?
As far as I am concerned you have righted a wrong here and apologized for how you came across which was my only problem from the get go. Now my problem lies with others who think that this type of feedback is acceptable. Is this not the same thing that MR was suspended for?? Why is it suddenly ok now??
I agree the the quality of work will dictate the amount of criticism but should it dictate the way we relay that criticism?? Should the forum posting guidelines be changed and reflect photos of yours and doogs and MR’s work and say that if you arent up to this you will be belittled and made to feel inferior?? If this had been my first post and I had received the response that you gave, that is exactly how I would perceive it!
What you basically had done was to say " Hey buddy, your stuff looks like crap and youve got a long way to guy to get any props from me. Your story sounds like balogna and I wont believe it cause you dont have a pic… by they way, you didnt even paint the rubber on the roadwheels!"
Anyways, I hate that you are the one that I let this rant out on crockett but like I said, I have seen this stuff going on too much here lately here, and in the other threads on other forums. (Can’t even read any of MM’s stuff without getting these kind of cracks hardly.)
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