Monogram 1/35 M48 Patton

Hans, that’s an M1A2 improved commander’s weapon station. Because of the CIT-V screen and assorted electronics, the M1/M1A1 commander’s weapon station (CWS) with its power traverse was deleted and an “improved” weapons station (aka cupola) was added to the M1A2. That improved commander’s weapon station can take either type of M2HB.

Notice how the commander is grabbing handgrips, almost like a bicycle’s handlebars, rather than the .50’s traditional wooden handles and butterflies.

The M1/M1A1 commander’s weapon station had several issues that often put it out of action, either item would make the weapon inoperable which in turn would deadline the tank (yes, the commander’s .50 would deadline a tank!).

The first issue was with the M10 charging handle. That fragile cable would fray right at the point where the cable came out and rubbed on a metal pully. Guaranteed to occur when you really needed the machine gun operable, like during gunnery.

The second issue was the brass gear that raised and lowered the machine gun’s elevation. This problem only occurred when the blank firing adapter was attached during training like NTC or other maneuvers. The excess weight of the BFA on the end of the barrel would cause the weapon to “see saw” as the tank travelled cross country eventually wearing the brass elevation gear.

While the powered traverse was nice, it was hardly used and moved the cupola in a rather jerky motion. I was glad that the A2 changed that .50 mount. Probably the overall cost kept the Army from retrofitting all Abrams tanks to the ICWS. Just imaging replacing every single commander’s cupola on every tank!

As far as the coax on the older tanks, when I was on the CEV and the M48A5, our coax was a 7.62mm M219 machine gun. I did a quick google search and found that it came into use in 1959. When I was on the M60A3TTS and M1-series tanks, our coax was the M240 7.62mm machine gun.

I do not know what an early M48/A1/A2/A3 or even earlier M60 or M60A1s used.

As to how the M48’s spent brass dropped, I’m not sure. On the M48A5 I was on, we used externally mounted M60Ds with butterflies and an anti aircraft sight. On the CEV and M60A3TTS (and would be the same on the M60 or M60A1) I was on, the spent brass and links dropped out an opening on the underside of the cupola’s mantlet. The casings and links just scattered around the top of the turret and spilled over the side of the tank.

I bet the environmentally aware, recycling folks probably thought it would be better to collect the brass on that ASV. Them dang links were always getting stuck in the grills and falling into impossible to reach spots. I bet my old A3 probably had brass links older than me stuck in various spots.

Edit: Did some quick homework and found out what happened to the M48 .50 cal brass. It went out a chute and dropped out of the cupola. This photo shows the spot, right above the hanging smoke grenades from the bottom of the semi-circular plate with the four bolt indentations, just forward of the first vision block (not the riser’s vision blocks). Of note is the ground mount tripod that looks like it was cut and probably welded to the top of the cupola mantlet.

Ahh… I see it…

As for the fifty being moved to a field-expedient mount outside the cupola, I believe I saw that same modification on Israeli M-48s as well, along with the fifty-cal “range-finder” they used…

I may go that route instead of mounting it in the cupola since I can’t find any really good pics of it being installed that way on M48s in combat zones… Seems TCs in Vietnam generally preferred to risk snipers in order to see better and be able to engage targets easier with Mother Deuce out there… I don’t have a spare cupola riser though…

I think the riser was an A3 thing, but I may have one from a Tamiya kit I converted into a true A5.

Then I’m ok without the riser since I’m doing an Alpha-2, check?

Correct, the A3 came standard with the cupola riser and the A2 did not. But the cupola riser could be retrofitted to the A2 so that is not a good vehicle identifier. Usually, an A2 would not have it, but it could have it.

Ok… Thanks… Gonna KISS this one and go without the riser, since I want to use the Tamiya Riser on their A-3…

I’ve got the pieces if you’ like them, let me know. They’re out of the Tamiya kit, or the Acad knock-off.

Woah… That’s a save… Contact me back-channel about them…

Some progress has been made on the driver’s compartment…

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The seat is from a Marder kit, the rest is just scraps and stuff from the parts-box… I’ll post more later, but my camera-batteries went Tango Uniform and I got it a bit more “crowded” in there now…

It’s a “Monday Kit”…

Grrrrr… Effin’ short-shot…

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Looking great Hans! I built the same kit when I was 15 years old or so AND I still have it sitting on my shelves. There is something special about it because nothing is broken like all other built models as they didn’t survive years of moves and storage. I will post a picture when I have the chance…

I will be following your work because it will help me feel YOUNG! Thanks buddy!

They’ll probably replace that part with a quick phone call or email.

Not worth the wait, Rob… It’s an easy fix with a little sheet styrene and putty…

Thanks DP… I too built it at about that age, it was my very first armor kit as well, and the first introduction I had to Shep Paine’s work, as the diorama tip sheet was included back then… Which is also when the diorama bug bit me, and I’ve been building them ever since…

A modeler’s version of those Viagra commercials; like the one where the truck gets stuck in the mud and the rancher gets his horses from the trailer to pull them out.

This is a cool thread…not only for the build but for all the info that is presented.

lol… Damn, now I got that stupid blues tune they play on that commercial stuck in m’ head…

Im enjoying this tread! so far so good!

Finally got batteries for camera… Pics will be coming late tonight…

TTFN…

More progress on the Patton…

First, fixed that turret short-shot:

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Driver’s compartment:

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Drilled out the cupola armor-glass:

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Added a .50 cal from the AFV Quad Fifty:

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I’m actually farther along than the pics show… The hull and upper deck are assembled, the suspension is on, and I’m about to add the tracks… Then it’s time to finish up the 90mm and turret details…

Whew… First coat of OD has been shot…

Camera’s acting up again though… However, before I painted it, I roughed up the surface of the hull and the turret with a short, stiff paint-brush and liquid cement… This was to give the hull and turret a rough, cast texture…

I painted it with Hunter’s Specialties Olive Drab “Permanent Camo” enamel from a rattle can… I just have to get out of the War Room for some air now…

Don’t worrrrryy anbout th fumeesss, I’ve finne and eberthig is norbal…