Hello Trigger, I living in Caracas, Venezuela, (beautiful country, wrong leaders) These reporter was a friend, he was invited from Sikorsky in EEUU to show him the plant and the tecnology, and Sikorsky build and paint some hawks to my country, I feel so Sad because my country refuse to buy, my country did a wrong buy, Mil-mi 17 six month ago, and one was down and two can´t fly because mechanics troubles, I readed the Bowman book “Black hawk down”, in these book he wrote about a hawk with a shot in the same side and the chopper must be come back to the base in Somali after leave troop or deltas in the first crash site, maybe he supossed that the picture is these choppers, the number on the picture maybe is the picture number not a bird number, I am a Hawk fanatic, in the IPMS on Florida (99) I builded a 1/48 MH-60 K with Cobra Company kits,fotoechs and lot of scrach , but for paint and decals troubles and little time to repair, the hawk did stay in my surgical table! I did leave the choppers and star paint figures and build armor but… my “himalaya” is a Hawk, I star again the project but in 1/35 scale, I wanna build a Big DAP ( two 30mm chain gun, one 2.75 inch rockets rocket pod and four hellfires) plus two miniguns, I have the MRC, Pave hawk, and L model, some CC kits and Eduard fotoechs, but I can´t buyed the DAP because a Goverment regulations in change control , recently I star again with my “Himalaya” A friend buy (Via internet) the kit and I really hope to have these kit in my hands a soon as posible, I read now “in company of heroes” of Durant, is a really good book, it show the human reality about the war! and the Fred J. Pushies book “nightstalker” to refresh my knowledges, I hope show some pictures to my project! thanks for the “welcome”!
Sounds good. Good luck building it, but you may be slightly over doing it…
The DAP usually has just one hard-point on each side. The total weapons and ammo load that you propose would most likely overload the helo.
hey caballo, my wife is from venezuela, and my mother in law has been with us for a year…they are from merida originally…you’re english is a little worse than my wife, but a lot better than my mother in law! I will say this, it’s a lot better than my spanish…hehe…also, I will say they don’t like chavez any more than you do apparently.
Jajaja, about your wife she is a “gocha” the people of Merida and San Cristobal like your wife and my father named “Gochos” , you have a great woman!!! with a strong temper! jajaja about politics, my grandmother did say “don´t put the finger in the ulcer” about my english… you are a big joker!!!
Thanks for your wishes, these is the first picture to show me a Heavy DAP! in the same Sikorsky papers from my friend, recently I find these picture on internet and the Pushies book,
Thanks for your wishes, these is the first picture to show me a Heavy DAP! in the same Sikorsky papers from my friend, recently I find these picture on internet and the Pushies book,
O.K, so it may be technically feasible, but is not actually used in that configuration by the US military. The middle pic with single hard point is the more common set-up.
Your family are right!!!I hope to see a NS guys over my city as soon as posible, is these happening, I will aproach it to a landscape, welcome these guys, excuse my people and will invite a double chesse Big Mac!!! Excuse me but…I feel so shame about it to the United Stated people, EEUU is a great country with a great people, I was a paramedic/ helitactic crew and worked in La Guaira inundation, (Caracas, Venezuela) a army blackhawk take my wife and me from Maiquetia airport to a golf camp in Los Corales, I worked tree days in a helitactic operations, aproach and go the diferents helicopter to evacuated the people, I see a USA GI working hard to evacuated the people and suply food and medicine !!! Ch. is the worst nigtmare to my country!!!
no truer words, have ever been spoke…[:D]
Notice that both the heavy DAP photos show a SOAR Blackhawk with no plume detectors. This would lead me to believe that the configuration was tested in the early 90’s but dropped, probably because of weight and time on target issues. I do know that the heavy DAP configuration wasn’t operationally used (at least not in Desert Storm, Haiti, Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq). That being said, a heavy DAP would look very cool next to a vanilla MH-60L.
Hello Aaron, in the chapter 7 of the Durant´s book “In the company of Heroes” in the page 176 are a picture show the “first” DAP in a heavy cofiguration, (without Plume detectors) obviusly I don´t know is actually are operationally, I could´t imagine a heavy dap with a Robertson Tank inside, maybe in short distance mission, if you have information or a picture, you will be welcome, I keep a hard “search” in the Internet and books, but is a nice project to work!!! , I feel alike to build it! Please, what is the meaning of “That being said, a heavy DAP would look very cool next to a vanilla MH-60L.”
Caballo
I mean a heavy DAP would look nice next to a plain MH-60L (without ESSS fairings or heavy weapons, aside from the minguns) that we use for troop transport. Such a diorama would show how the same helicopter can be modified to suit the mission at hand. The photo in Durant’s book that you mentioned was taken inside a hanger at Fort Campbell, Kentucky where the unit is based. I used the term “operationally” to describe a combat mission, not a test or training mission.
Thanks, is a really good idea to show the “L” with diferent configurations! If you readed my last Postes . I write about my “limited” english, these is the reason of my questions, I don´t know what is the meanning of Vanilla! thanks!
It could also be an aircraft that was pitched to Belgium I believe. I will have to dig for the video showing an armed S-70 being put through its paces. It was using two point ESSS with quite a variety of weapons being used and sometimes with a load that would blow your mind.
Sikorsky has pitched the S-70 as an attack/utility option to a number of countrys who have limited funds and may be interested in the flexibility and capability of the airframe in that role.
Mac
Not all armed Blackhawks are DAPs. I’ve seen plenty of photos of UH-60As and Ls that were carrying Hellfires, rockets and even stingers; but they usually had the four point ESSS installed.
Somewhere in the piles in my office I have a Sikorsky report on the flying qualties and performance characteristics of the UH-60A with the four point ESSS and a large variety of external fuel tanks and weapons on the pylons. Maybe some of the pics people have seen came from this test, the report had lots of pictures in it. I’m pretty sure that the helo did not have the ability to actually fire any of the weapons, it probably just had a basic jettison capability in case of emergency. I’ll have to see if I can find it.
Phil
Hello Mac, I have the video (VHS) of these demostration, the helo are painted in medium green and dark green, and it show the armament configurations and a acrobatic demostrations, I have too a Sikorsky file about the armament configuration, my DAP picture was from the file "S-70 helicopter multi-role capabilities “armament” show the hawk with three store support systems options,
ESSS, External store support system (standard Sikorsky option kit) four store stations inboard capacity 3160 lb each, outboard capacity 1650 lb each, system weith 674 lb
EFS External fuel support (Non standard option ) two stores station capicity 3160 lbs each system weight 435 lb
ETS External Tank support (standar sikorsky option kit) two stores stations capacity 1800 lbs each, system weight 366 lbs, large field of fire for window guns (For example MH-60 K)
weights do not include weapons provisions
Good reference Mac!
Somebody tell me that these blackhawk is not a “L” DAP? I know that some hawk show a variety of weapons since Iraq (f/e Italeri Desert hawk 1/72) but I never see a regular Hawk with a Flir and all weather radar nose system, or belong to a NS (160) o recently a Air force Pave hawk!
Thanks all!
I sent a picture of Heavy Dap (Without Plume detector)
Yes, what you have pictured above appear to be UH/MH-60Ls with four-point ESSS installed with weapons. These look like Sikorsky promotional pictures though. The US military (nor any other country) does not use the four-point ESSS in the DAP configuration. Australia does use the four point ESSS, but only carries drop tanks, no weapons.