MERDC Chaparral markings - need help

Hi everyone!

I´m currently building AFV´s M730A1 Chaparral in European Winter MERDC camouflage. Unfortunately, there are no decals for this scheme in the kit. So I need to know what markings could be found on a Chaparral of that period.

I know about the black stars on the front and on the back, those are no problem.

Then, there seem to be unit markings on the lower left side of the front and the rear (e.g. 2-triangle-2-I-41) and on the lower right side of front and rear (e.g. C-11). Those markings are black letters on yellow ground (the mentioned markings are from the decal sheet of the Tamiya M2 IFV in MERDC). Does anybody have an example what markings would be plausible for a MERDC Chaparral (no matter if stationed in Europe or US)?

Next, there is a black number on both sides (MV6096 on the Bradley IFV). How would such a number look for a Chaparral?

One more question: Does any decal producer offer sheets which can be used on MERDC-period vehicles? Or do I have to print them myself (OK, not that difficult in this case)?

I hope, someone can help me with this quite difficult questions. :-/

Kind regards!

Eric

And here are a few more pics

I am getting ready to go to work but ask away! I was Air Defense my entire Army Career 21 years. Chaps and Vulcans until they were phased out after Desert Storm. Then Bradleys. Looking for a place specific? Or time frame? Battalian structure changed about 1 year before Desert shield so markings and units will be slightly diff between the 1980’s and early 1990’s. Most of the Chaps in Europe were gone before Desert Storm. Replaced by patriot missiles and Avengers but in the 1980’s were plentyful. The Markings to make it easy would be the same as a Vulcan model except the bumper number would start with a C or D. D-11 or C-23 extc. A and B batterys were Vulcan. The 3rd platoon in each A-33, B31 C-32, extc would have been stinger pure. APC’s and Jeeps back then.

ajlafleche, thanks for the pic! Though I am unable to decipher the left number, it shows me where to place the decals on the vehicle rear!

sfcmac, I just can´t believe my luck that I found a real Air Defence man here! Your information is exactly what I was looking for and it is much appreciated!!! I hope You had a pleasant work day!

Please excuse the following flood of detail questions then (and my poor english) :wink:

  • the vehicle front is dominated by the winch, so where do I have to put the black star on the front? Below the winch between the unit markings?

  • If I got that right, I can use the C-11 decal from my Bradley as well for the Chap? I don´t really care for a specific place or time frame, it´s only important that the markings fit to a MERDC (Winter, US & Europe, verdant) scheme on a Chaparral.

  • how would the corresponding number for the left side look like (its the 2-little triangle-I-41 thingy for the Bradley)? I´m afraid I have no idea about the US vehicle markings at all, so sorry if my questions seem a little dumb :wink:

  • I want to attach the front unit markings correctly, so where do they sit precisely?

  • concerning the side numbers (Bradley´s ´MV6096´), I guess it´s the vehicle identification itself, should I completely make up a number or do You possibly remember a correct number I can use?

Thank You very much for the already invested time, scfmac!!

Eric

Well let me load it up them. The reason I ask about the time frame is I am not familiar with the term you are using for the camoflauge,MERDC . Probably because we called it some slang and not the proper term. Do you have an example of it? I served in Chap ? Vulcan, units from 1983 until the Chaps became a divisional asset in 1988.

There is a few photos of how I remember them. You actually probably have a lot of artistic freedom with the markings as most our vechicles during the pre CARP paint era were repainted on unit level. This means the camo pattern, the markings were quite random. The Black Star may or may not be there as it depended on the Squad Leaders wishes if it was there or were it was located. It is much more common today with contract painters who do every vehicle exactly the same. Also You saw things added such as Crew names in 1" black stencils. Usually Rank and last name. It was also not uncommon for these to be wrong as Rank and Personnel changed, Just depended on the individual and time available when it was corrected.

The Vehicle could also be named in 1" black stencils. Usually a name starting with the compa ny letter. My Vulcan for example was named Bouncing Betty cuz of bad shocks. Bumper number B-33. These could change with the crews as well.

Odd markings done at unit level were also possible. Looking at this vulcan pic as an example.

The black blotch on the forward side is a siloutte of the ADA crossed cannons and missle over the Tara leaf which was the 24th Infantrys patch. This mark was only on 2nd platoon A-batterys vulcans.

The Half circle is the ADA umbrella tactical symbol. A graphic that would be used on a map to show unit type and location at a glance. You know those things Generals move around the map during the battle. The Ubside down V is interesting as this is a practice carried on today. The V was meant to symbolize the Victory division. Nick name for the 24th Infantry. Fort Stewart GA. is even shaped like a V. The direction of the V was determined by the company or battery. A would be upside down. B the angle would point right. C would point left and Headquarter units like a normal V. Of course the Division also required V’s on everything even our helmet covers. So you see a lot of V’s and it is still around even though the Divison became 3rd Infantry Division during restructuring in 1995-96.

Here are some decal examples of modern markings

The yellow background for the bumper numbers is wrong. Was always sand or tan with black numbers during this time. Never yellow.The little yellow dashes are simply reflective tape. Required because the european based tanks drove on the city roads and highways. A Safety visability thing. Also the yellow and red squares you see on the bradley decal sheet will be there as well. These were NATO reflective stickers required by structly enforced regulation. They will be on the back in eack corner on all vehicles wheeled and tracked during the 1980’s.

They actually had little holograms of the differnt unit patches in them. Your tax dollars at work!.

The bumper numbers were always like the bradley decal sheet with the tan background. The Chap will be a letter C-31 or a D-13 as oppossed to the A and B on the decal.

The triangle thing you ask about is again the map symbol for armor. On the Vulcan decal sheet it means 2nd Armored Division 2nd battalian of the 5th Air defense Artillery. ADA could also be shortened to just AD .

The 3I on the Bradley decal is for 3rd infantry. If the I was a triangle it would be 3rd Armored. Does that make sense?

Ok the six character MV6096 you ask about will not be there on the Chap in Europe. The Dersert Storm version yes. That is a UIC unit identification code that is used to identify the unit in the early compurerization of the Army. Every vehicle in that unit will have the same number.

The desert chap will be eather WEZMOC or WEZMOD located really small. almost to small to be worth it in 1/35 on the front and sides. These were placed ther during deployment on ships and ports as a tracking tool. Since been replaced by bar code stickers. Handy when they lose your tank during a deployment. Don’t laugh it happens!

Again the European on will not have this being pre Desert Shield. The US Army and Serial number was also very rare to see. Mostly long painted over. We wrote down the serial numbers on everything so much we had them memorized pretty quick.

I think I answered your questions probably went overboard but if you look at those pics and use those NATO stickers you should be accurate. Feel free to ask more if I didn’t bore you to death. [zzz]

Forgot about Units pics 4 5 and 6 or a good example of the European version. 3I 3/67 ADA Bumper # starts with a C This unit was station in Kitzingen Germany Larson Barracks. The 3rd Infantry was Headquartered in Wurzburg Germany and in 1995-96 Everything changed names. The 24th was renamed the 3rd Inf at Fort Stewart GA. And the German 3rd Inf became the 1st Infantry (big red 1)

A few more clarifications. MERDC (Mobility Equipment Research & Design Command) was the camo pattern used in the mid '70s to early '80s, prior to the current 3-tone NATO camo. It had two base colors and two minor colors that could be changed with the seasons. More info on it here.

The combat Vs are used a little differently today. They now denote platoon. ^ is 1st PLT, > is 2nd PLT, v is 3rd PLT, and < is fourth PLT. Battery/Company/Troop is denoted in the Bn ID #. The Bn has a number series, say 40. HQ BTRY is 40, A BTRY is 41, B 42, C 43, etc…

Great piece of information, sfcmac! And thanks as well for the additional help from HeavyArty!

This is a pic of the scheme I´m trying to reproduce:

OK, I just ordered a letter/number-sheet from Archer Fine transfers, the sand underground for unit markings will be airbrushed. I also like the idea of naming the vehicle, this adds a little personality, I guess.

The pic You mentioned in Your second post is especially valuable for me, as is shows exact markings of an existing vehicle in germany. I think I will use the C-24 and 3I3-67ADA markings. If I got that right, this Chap also would have had the red-yellow Nato reflective stickers and probably no UIC markings, right?

You got it! The markings on Chaps just always followed a less is more look to me. The Nato stickers will be on the tail gate looking thing so when deployed they are pointed at the ground and hidden. We had to hide all the bright stuff when we got to where we were going it was back to camoflauge.

Heavy Arty that is some cool info. That camo was just before my time and the info on the V’s answers the question of why they are there today! I always wondered that as the 24th was the only place I saw them used. Of course when it became the 3rd ID the SOPs were still followed in the units so the symbols were still used. I still laugh when I remeber having to draw V’s on both sides of our hemet covers with black sharpies. You could see all shapes and sizes on them which was such an odd statement of individuality on the uniform. At least they were black and didn’t show much on the forest BDU covers.

One other odd marking you can see is white code letters hand written on the vehicle sides. These were done in chaulk on both sides of each vehicle. The code was the convoy clearance number for traveling on the German streets. Also washed off by canteen and rag when arriving at the battle position or training area.

Lastly the I was in 3rd Inf 3/67 at the time of this C-24 photo. Original Marne Man here! Still can sing all the words to Dog Face Soldier too!

I wouldn’t give a bean to be a fancy pants Marine…

I was in 3 ID during OIF1. Once a Dog Faced Soldier, always a Dog Faced Soldier. Rock of the Marne!!!

We did the CENTCOM “V” thing too, but it was primarily for ID as a friendly… If it wasn’t planned that way, it soon became the main reason anyway, since all the Coalition Forces were using them, and we didn’t want to light up any Arab units out there in their Russian-built junk equipment…

When we first were told to paint 'em on (in desert yellow over our still NATO-camoed (old and new both) tracks & vehicles) I thought, “When the hell did join up with the Israelis?” … The bumper numbers were still in black with no tan background…

Guys, and especially sfcmac: You were really a big help for me! I didn´t have much hope when I posted my questions, but You people were actually able to exceed all expecations! Thank You so much!

My Chap will take some time until it´s finished, I´can´t find the time to model frequently, but as soon as it is finished, I will post some pictures here!

Eric