Is it just me, or...

…do model companies seem to have much shorter runs of their kits these days? I remember in the late '70’s through the early '90’s where you couldn’t get away from kits…there seemed to NEVER be a problem in finding kits from mainstream producers, such as Tamiya, Hasegawa, etc…now, it seems in many cases that even “new” kits dissapear quickly and you have to pray for a reissue—what’s up with this?

Some examples: DML’s initial Tiger I, DML’s Late Tiger I (the one w/ the Villers Boccage boxart), etc…and these were good sellers! Is it just a DML phenomenon? I understand that their CyberHobby kits are INTENDED to be limited-run, but neither of these were Cyber kits…

Any thoughts?

Market saturation. The more kits are out there, the more manufacturers have to stretch to figure out new kits to produce, leaving a thinner market for each one. I owned several Tamiya Tiger I’s (the old ones with the wrong roadwheels) back in the day, when it was the only viable option. But today, there are several Tiger I kits available that I haven’t touched. What this translates to is, the older kits were better sellers than the newer kits. So, ergo, and it must follow that, the newer kits will generally have shorter production runs.

Just the impression I get.

but what about a complete lack of ANY kits on a subject?

US halftracks are hard to find, I want the one with the howitzer, or how about other US arty? about the only thing out there is the LONG TOM or the pack. I would like a 37mm and the 105 but… Why so much German and so little US/British?

Again, it’s the market. German armor is hot right now, has been for some time. Personally, I feel like if they produced more US stuff, they’d sell more US stuff (duh…). But Tamiya produced a lot of US & other Allied subjects over the years, and simply nothing sold as well as the German stuff. So over the years, what you’re seeing in Tamiya (good example) is a steady trend away from Allied armor and toward more German armor.

With that comes a situation wherein it’s harder and harder to produce hot-selling US kits, like a good kit of a US 105mm field howitzer, for instance (I’d buy one, you’d buy one, a few other folks on here would buy one, but that would be about it). Right now the biggest thing in styrene is German, even if most of it has been done to death, to the point that manufacturers are now resorting to producing limited runs of individual vehicles (like Carius’s Tiger, etc).

I’m not complaining, mind you, because I like German stuff. But of course, I think it would be better for the state of the hobby in general if Dragon produced more US and British subjects. I thought we were starting to see that with the halftracks coming out in 07 (a topic that has been written about ad nauseum), and we still might - but I think they should do more.

I mean, aside from Shermans. I like 'em, but there’s a lot more to build in the US arena than Shermans.

I agree that the “hot” kits tend to be short run, either that or they get bought up by the pre-order crowd. When the LHS orders that latest kit, the regulars all know to put in for a pre-order. The shop orders for them and perhaps a half dozen for the shelf. The non-regulars then rush in and clean the shelves.

It is the future in retailing (and logistics). Go from manufacturer to consumer in as few steps as possible with nothing left in storage/inventory. The transportation pipeline becomes your “warehouse”.

Good point, but this thread is mainly about companies who do issue a kit and before you can say, “charge it” it has sold out and who knows when it will be available again…DML seems to be the major culprit in this…their initial Tiger is now seen as a “collector’s item” and it was only released–what?–a couple of years ago? You can walk into most Hobby Stores today and find Tamiya items that were first released in 1973!!!

I don’t quite understand it either. I think if a kit were hot, you’d pump out as many as possible before the competition produces their own or re-releases one. Makes no sense to deprive a wanting public. This fact backfired on Chrysler when they first produced the PT Cruiser. They let dribbles come off the line and demand was high. Well people get impatient and if they can’t get what they want, they find something else. So when Chrysler ramped up the factories, it was too late. Demand had subsided on the PT and they had to fire-sale them to get rid of them. Stupid thinking.

One other reason they might be hard to find is speculation for the secondary market. I remember one ebayer whom seem to have endless numbers of the Dragon Panther G Late and T-34/85s. I think the secondary market is a great place to buy kits more than to make small profits on newer kits. Repeat, newer kits, not older OOP.

Exactly, because they sold in huge numbers, being the only option at the time. Today’s market has so much more competition that new kits are lucky to sell well enough to justify their continued manufacture before the manufacturer moves on to another kit.

One contributing factor which hasn’t been mentioned yet is the limited resource of the actual production equipment vs. the number of kits aimed to be produced in a given year. With the explosion of the number of new kits being released each year, the demand on available injection molding equipment is higher (not the molds, the molds and machines are two different entities). This results in generally shorter runs in order to produce enough kits to satisfy the projections of the business case for the first run plus some additional for distribution/stocking before the equipment is needed to produce the next kit. Sometimes the manufacturers guess wrong and create a shorter run than they expected and this ups the values of the kits. We, as a group, asked for more variety of kits to be released, older kits to be upgraded, etc. and this is one of the side effects of that. More kits in a single year = shorter runs of those kits.

The oft-cited examples of the DML Tigers though is really a red-herring. Those kits were loss-leaders at the prices they were sold at with the goodies they contained but it catapulted DML into the fore-front and established their position as a dominant player that they still enjoy today. The Late Tiger has been reincarnated, the Initial I think won’t be reproduced again, if ever, for some time to come because there’s still a good supply out there on the secondary market and DML already made their money (such as it was) and can use their resources to produce new kits that aren’t loss leaders.

Outstanding points, Bill—hadn’t looked at it that way…I suppose the days where you could walk into any hobby store and find a Tamiya sdkfz 222 or 223 on the shelf are over, and I am sure that it is because at that time there were FAR fewer kits being made and that equipment could be used to make oodles of 'em and they would sell, bacuse in many respects they were the only game in town…

Don’t forget the way that computers have helped to streamline and accelerate the whole production processes, whuch allows companies to get more kits out in order to keep the customer’s wallets opened and also help keep prices up. It used to be that you could wait over a year to get a kit; now, it’s off the shelves in like, two months it seems.

Hello,

With major model companies putting out new kits , and stop producing them , is a matter of sales , with the model company and the LHS that sells them . The major companies that produce models , I think , keep a close eye on what sells. They will deplete the existing stocks , and come out with something new . How many times have we heard of the " Limited Production Kits ." Often an older kit with new decals , and throw in some PE parts . Or put an older kit in a new box .These major companies , I think keep an eye on websites like this .For instance ,there are alot of Sherman Tank Enthusiasts out there , I like the Sherman , all the diffrerant versions , but I also like versions of the Centurion Tank , like an injection moulded Centurion ARV MK II . The bottom line is popularity , and market sales . The market is flooded with German Armor , and I must admit I like German Armor . So do take care all.

Frank

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I can’t really address this because I’ve never had any problem getting a kit.My stash can attest to that.

I don’t know how many times I’ve heard a kit was not to be found and I find it at one of my many online sources.

True, you can still get 'em (the ones I mentioned) but usually on Ebay, which I don’t consider a primary source…Have you seen the DML Initial Tiger lately at a LHS or online store (other than the rare and hard-to-find stores)?

There are several other issues that contribute to the problem.

The tax laws changed and large inventories became a liability. I remember when the change occured. It seamed like things suddenly had to be ordered and fewer items were carried “in the back” of the stores. What was on the shelves was it.

The second thing was there were fewer model manufactures. Monogram, Revell, Aurora, Tamiya, Lindburg, Italeri, MPC, AMT. What was an “after market” company? Most of the companies didn’t really copy each other. If you wanted a Tiger in 1/35th you bought a Tamiya kit. Now there are a zillion companies large and small. They have to keep updating their line to draw in new customers and to protect their market share. Plastic, resin, diecast, photo etch. AM now blends into mainline. Almost anyone with a web site and an understanding of resin molding can start their own company. All that said if you are not producing the most accurate kit or item, the word will quickly spread and someone will produce a better one. I like Tamiya, always have. However Dragon has gained a lot of respect from me because they sometimes update their kits to correct known errors or to improve the kits detail and “crispness”. I wish others would follow suit.

More great points!!! We got some some really smart people in here as well as great modelers! hmmmmmmm…does intelligence correllate with our hobby? Another question to post?

Many good points here. However, I still cannot understand the business sense in not releasing larger runs of kits, such as those for the DML Initial Tiger, and their subsequent kits, when there seems to be enough demand for them? Even if these kits were produced at a loss, would you not want to make a large enough run to recuperate your losses?

I can see the above not working with a modelling subject of limited interest base, but something such as their Tiger kits doesn’t seem to make much sense…

Two words - inventory management and business cycle

Ok, ok that’s really four words, but you get my point.

As mentioned, thanks to changes in the tax code, large inventory can be deadly. For small businesses, there (usually) is an inverse relationship between large inventories and liquidity. Banks like to see cash flow and liquidity in a business - especially now. Most LHS I know don’t have a steady cash flow. Sales are average (maybe even mediocre) till a major holiday than wham. Banks don’t like that kind of unpredicability (ie. risk). So in order to manage risk, they tell the LHS not to tie up significant capital in inventory.

The same dynamic is true for the catalogue and on-line retailer, only the dollar figures for sales are larger, so the inventory one can keep is larger. Still when you break down the business on a per capita customer basis the ratios are similar and the same financial principles apply.

Manufacturers aren’t really any different than LHS with respect to inventory. High inventory has siginficant implications for the books. The value of the inventory is supposed to be written down appropriately over time, so there is an incentive to keep it low - this is irrespective of the age of the molds used in the production run.

However, as most of us know, most of the big production firms are in Asia, and in Asia, businesses don’t always follow US accounting rules. That’s where the business cycle comes in.

The fact is, because the market for modeling has grown, and the demand within that market for more accurate, newer, improved, etc models has grown, businesses have had to respond by increasing their “turn” times for development and production of new product. The cost of that increased inovation has two consequences. First, the profitablity of any given “run” has to have more certainity (ie. the price/cost of failure is high). In order to hedge against possible “misses” you limit the production run. While the downside is you might not maximize the profit potential if you produce a “hit,” if successful you still will make the profit projection for the product run (and for managers, when you hit your target it means bonuses all around). Second, increased spending on R & D and new production means there is a strong incentive within the business to continue to develop and bring out new product. It’s a little like feeding the beast. Once the research and production beigns to speed up, you have to at least continue the pace of inovation if not try to speed it up (in order to catch your competiton flat-footed) or you you will be branded as an industry laggared. Usually there is a negative cost assoiciated with being in a bottom position in any given industry - perhaps the costs aren’t as high in the modeling world, but there still is a cost.

Lastly, as was pointed out earlier, there are more suppliers than say 20 or 30 years ago. And while numerically there may not be many more companies producing plastic kits than 20 years ago, the resin and aftermarket sector has exploded. In the end, they are all competing for the same set of dollars. A dollar spent with Accurate Armour or Resicast, is a dollaryou cannot spend on Dragon or Tamiya. So, if you want to capture a piece of that dollar, you have to have product that captures the customers attention, which takes you back to the paragraph above.

If I was in b-school, I suppose you could do a neat little paper on the specialty/after market industry being responsible for the current pace of inovation in the overall modeling sector today. The question to ask is how long can it last and is it indepent of the business cycle (ie. if the overall pool of customers decreased, and thus the overall profit potential decreased, would the pace of inovation decrease).

Have you also noticed that some German armor and figure models are cheaper than the U.S. armor and infantry kits.

My LHS never really had any. I saw one Late. The guys who worked there, said they were gone as soon as they came in.