I won't be using Model Master acrylics again.

Mr color, Thats the first time I heard that name outside of Gunpla building

Sort of like the Liberty/Victory shipbuilding programs. Having so many going at a time increases the number done within a specific time period. It does not actually increase the individual build speed…[^o)]

But having so many going at one often sidetracks me from making more progress on any one kit because I have my finger in too many pies.[:$] (just under 30 kits in various stages of build… but I am knocking that number down currently):mischievous:

30?!?

I like having just enough that I can jump around while waiting. Last night I finished up the RLM 78 on the 109, then pulled out the Sherman for the finishing touches. Tonight it’ll be the RLM 79, then I’ll be dragging out the Mosquito and finally starting in on it. Or maybe not, because I have to mask and I’m hoping to knock out the entire RLM 79 job tonight, fading and blending and all.

Yeah… when I counted just after New Years it was 30 or 31 I think. I have completed 3 of those since then and will have at least two more done in the next few days and hopefully a couple more by the end of next week.

Okay, it was a good discussion there for awhile…

Sorry Herr Field Marshall …I was under the influence of your spies!

Yes we deviated off topic without mentioning either Zuiho or Tirpitz…

Ok here is a question somewhat related- do the folks here who mainly use acrylics notice a difference in the same paint type when using an internal mix airbrush versus an external mix? I noticed that I tended to get more drying/clogging when using MM/PS acrylic paints with my new internal mix airbrush than with my older external mix airbrush.

i HAVE FOUND THAT A GOOD WAM SOAPY BATH OF THE SPRUES BEFORE STARTING HELPS…NEVER WHAT NASTY LITTLE OILS ARE ON YOUR PLASTIC…THEN A THIN COAT OF TAMIYA PRIMER…GREAT STUFF…

I HAVE NEVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH MM ENAMELS…BUT THE ACRYL LINE…MAN THAT STUFF CLOGS UP YOU AB NOZZLE SOMETHING TERRIBLE…

OH AND SINCE THIS THREAD SEEMS TO BE HEADING DOWNHILL ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS…

MEOUW!!![whstl]

CARLOS

Got to admit, I used to have problems with acrylics lifting but they have been good to me as of late. I do spend a bit more time with the prep work now though. A light once over with some steel wool and a good enamel rattle can primer coat and things seem to be good. Just finished a Hs129 with the 70/71 splinter scheme using MM acrylics. Had tape all over that baby, and I mean all over it! When it was all said and done, I had zero paint lift off when removing it. I also started using Tamiya tape, and some low tac painters tape, but mostly stick ( get it? stick??) with the Tamiya stuff.

BTW, get back to work on that Graf Spee stik!!!

Oh Jester…[8-)] I am using MM Acrylics on my Spee, so am paticipating here with a vested interest. I did have some lifitng problems with those paints when removing some Tamiya tape. NEVER have had that happen before. I am varying the amount of MM Acrylic thinner I use to see if that has any effect on the adhesion of the paint or the later hardness.

gawga- I have the same problems with MM acrylic, even with a primer coat they peel off when dry. Plus they seem to airbrush poor for me. my airbrush tip clogs every 30/40 seconds even with a retarder. I switched to Gunze acrylic Mr. Hobby- the water soluble stuff. Its gods gift of paint…never clogs my airbrush. check great models first and if its out of stock just order it overseas. i’ve used http://www.model-making.eu to order from and everythings in stock and shipping is reasonable and it takes about 10 days for me to get it. No big deal. Gunze will solve your paint problems.

Nathan

Nathan is your airbrush internal or external mix?

stikpusher- its internal- an iwata hp cs eclipse. i’m not sure why i’ve had such a tough time with MM acrylic. i see it works good for some people. I just know it performs no where near gunze acrylic.

Nathan

two words: Alclad Primer. I am spoiled by it now. EVERYTHING adheres to that stuff.

Funny no one has mentioned LifeColor acrylics (that i have seen in this post). I’ve had great luck with Luft mottling with it. Nice satin finish and great colors too.

My only two bits- adhesion and drying problems seem to be always fixable on a case-by-case basis. Mostly a matter of prep, thinner or airbrush physics. Except my own personal bugaboo is that I cannot get Tamiya Flat black to stick well. And Gerald is correct, an top coat will not get you naything in terms of adhesion. One good way to figure out adhesion problems is to look at the inside face of the chip. Is it topcoat color? is it primer color?

I choose based on color accuracy, in particular to FS numbers. I don’t much model RLM so I don’t have much experience there, but there are good references around.

I don’t think MM is too close usually to what it claims to be.

I LOVE Tamiya Flat Black. I used it on the Radome and Walkways on my F-8E then masked it off so no top coats would alter the finish. Pure dead flat- no slight sheen, nothin’!!!

MM does have issues with their Acryilic paints in my experience.

the biggest problem I have had ,and have seen with acrylics…is either over-thinning or improper thinner concoctions

chipping/lifting is 90% …improper thinning…temperature/humidity have minimal effect on acrylic paint(it’s mostly water !)

the only difference between brands is ,some are more resilient to overthinning or improper thinning.

when you mix an acrylic down to a runny liquid suspension of pigment …it’s bonding property’s have been all but eliminated on most cases…the correct thinner and ratio within the paints capabilitys will solve most issues.

Jumping in late here, but I have to add my [2cnts]. Yeah, I dislike MM strongly as well, but I have a hard time getting a consistant spray from bottle to bottle as well as lifting. Seems like every color (and even individual bottles within the same color) have more or less thickness to them.

Tamiya rocks, but yeah, super limited color choices. I shoot a ton of Vallejo these days. I make a mix of acrylic airbrush medium, distilled water, and a drop or two of future, and thin with that. The Future ‘toughens’ the paint up a bit, and it lays down glass smooth.

Hope you have better results next time!

Chris

I will try less thinner on my next use of MM Acrylics and see what happens…[8-|]