How Not to Run a Model Hobby Shop

This is actually a branch from a topic from the community thread lamenting the demise of local hobby shops. Having seen every LHS close in my district of a large metropolitan area, I would like to offer my take on the how NOT to run a hobby shop.

  1. The owner/manager knows too little or is bored with the business. This is typified by owner X, who never moved from behind the counter, had half a store full of trains and half full of models, and didn’t give a rip about either.

  2. The owner knew too much and was too enthusiastic. Owner Y was an avid modeler himself, but it became obvious that he expected that everyone who entered the shop to build a superdetailed contest entry. I don’t think he could relate to modelers who simply wanted to make models that were very good, but not great (BIG gap there…). I think there are a lot of us who add a few aftermarket details, decals for a specific topic, a good paint job, and call that good enough. In many cases oob is good enough for me if the model is well detailed and designed.

  3. Musical shops. Yet another owner kept moving his shop from strip mall to strip mall as he found cheaper and cheaper space. I finally stopped trying to track him down.

  4. Don’t listen to distributors who talk you into giving shelf space to items that sell one unit every five years. Even if the distributor gave you the items for FREE, if the merchandise occupies space that real movers could occupy, you lose money. One shop I visited seemed to have 80% dead inventory. They put the new and exciting stuff up front - I bet if they walled off the back 3/4 of the store, they wouldn’t lose 5% of their sales. Most shops have a rack of Evergreen styrene with empty slots where the fast moving sheets and rods resided, and plenty of specialized sheets that never sell. Dead inventory.

  5. Flunked Psychology 101. One owner was so glad to have someone in his store that whenever I visited he followed right behind my shoulder every step asking if he could show me anything. Sometimes I just like to browse. Making the customer feel crowded and nervous is no way to get repeat business. A good shop owner will determine why you are there and what you want, and adapt to the situation.

  6. Goldilocks Owner. In a given region, a model shop will naturally be certain size. If the owner tries to grow it too large, or is unprepared to grow it as large as it should be, the shop will fail. Some are too big, some are too little, a few are just right.

  7. “Normally we have that, but not today.” Flat Black was out of stock at the closest hobby shop for months and months - the owner had a rack filled with colors that probably sold two bottles a year, yet no flat black!

  8. “We only stock model stuff.” Diversify and carry the other items modelers use. I have never seen “Future” in a model shop, nor a good auto body filler, nor a paint stripper. Not ribbon for seat harnesses, nor drafting pens, bottle ink, circle guides, shim brass. I never see useful machine tools like a dial caliper. For that matter, how many shops carry good organizers for modeling supplies? I would probably give a shop owner $10 for the Testors paint rack if he would remove the bottles of congealed paint.

In a lot of cases, comments on note cars on the shelf under the model would help. Something useful like, “Hard to Build, But it’s the only XYZ 123 in 1/72 scale.” Or something that saves me a trip, “The cockpit on this model should be painted OFFCOLOR BLUE, Testors 9876.”

If anyone wants to pioneer a modeling shop in my area, I would be glad to give them the benefit of my experience - I’ll take my consulting fees in kits and supplies. [:D]

ChemMan,

Great presentation[bow][bow][bow]

If I were able to open a shop I would definately want you on my side[8D] Through the years I have come across just the individuals you are talking about[censored] I have also seen some great shops[:)] Now, I would welcome even one of the shops you were talking about as there are no shops within 50 miles of where I live[:(]

Maybe some model shop owners will read this and find a couple of good ideas on how to run a shop. Thanks[:D]

Richard

ChemMan, it sounds like you are describing MY LHS! They are one of the largest and oldest in a 6 state area, but they must have been sniffing glue when they stocked the place full of all this fantasy role-playing, Dungeons & Dragons junk that is passe’ by the time it hits the shelves. Fully half the store is filled with this stuff. No offense to the folks who play this, but I never see anyone buy it. You can tell by the layers of dust on it. Now they have so much money tied-up in dead inventory, they can’t afford to stock the latest models, which I and many others would buy. Instead, I’m buying more and more online, and my LHS is loosing more and more business.

chemman as one who is looking to open a shop i was highly interested in your assessment. some things i did notice, the ribbon, future, and other non modeling items you speak would be harder to stock as they are not in the normal “model supply” catalog but they should be things that can be found. the paint problem you speak is one of a person who is not paying attention to the product, items that sell one a year, one every two years etc, should be special orders only. i want to bring full lines of tamiya and testors paints, this will mean i bring in items that will have little or no chance of selling. the movement of kits have to be monitored to keep the stock fresh, this and movement of paints has to determine which items are to be carried.

have faith, at least one has heard your trouble and is going to respond in as positive a manner as possible.

joe

You are so right ChemMan. Fortunately the model shop closest to me is none of those things, although the staff never initiate conversation they are knowledgable if the customer asks the questions first.

The other thing I would add is well laid out shelving allowing easy browsing.

I think I ran into one of these people the other day. While in Edmonton on personal business, I went into a shop that I have never been in before. It was obviously a shop devoted to things that move with an enormous amount of trains and R/C equipment but did have a few model kits for us lowly peasants. So I found some Zap-A-Gap, a bottle of paint, and a kit that I was interested in and proceeded to the counter.
Set my purchases down and the clerk behind the counter picks up the bottle of Zap and stares at for an inordinate amount of time.
Finally he looks at me and says “Do you intend on using this glue for that model kit.”
“Why yes” I replied
“Well,” he says in a rather condescending tone, “Do you have enough confidence in your skills to use such a glue?”
The opportunity was there to mention that I know it must be tough to glue all 16 pieces of an R/C whatchamacallit together or to mention which part of his anatomy the glue would be best served used upon, but humble as ever I simply informed him that I had been using CA glues on my models before he had even been concieved.
I left the store thinking to myself that this had been a great moment, for I had actually met the poster child for birth control.

Anyways … ramble over … the main point I’m trying to make is knowledge of your product is so important. Even if it is the “bottom shelf” items in your store … you better know something about it. Modellers using CA glue … will wonders ever cease.

It appears that the only thing this clerk uses glue for is sniffing.

A few months a go I went to the LHS and a helpful young man asked me if he could help right as I walked in the door. I told him I was looking for the Osprey publications and asked if they carried them. He told me that they didn’t have them but that Greenfeild News and Hobby did. I thanked him and went to Greenfeild where I got a couple kits, some paint, and various other odds and ends (they didn’t have the book I was looking for).
At least he could have offered to order it for me but what the heck, it was a nice day for a drive and my $$ spends just as good in Greenfeild. [:D]

Excellent suggestions. I hope LHS owners are reading this.

Robert- Good show. The reality of it is, I never use plastic glue anymore. Just CA (or white glue for the clear stuff).

Robert, that is as surly as I’ve ever seen you. [:D]

Yep, I can relate to the paint problem. Why is it they always run out of Dunkelgelb and not some wingy thingy paint? [:(!]

Joe, I have a suggestion for ya…make sure to keep an eye on the kits that each genre wants when they are released. This forum is a great place to keep an eye on the market. When the new Trumpeter 1/35 Hind came out, the LHS didn’t have it, still doesn’t have it, and doesn’t plan to have it any time soon. Hell, I bought it from an online shop for less, even with the shipping, their loss. I gave them a chance. Some LHS owners only follow one genre, just make sure to keep an eye on all of them, so you can catch all of the hot movers!!!

Robert, in my LHS there was in line in front of me, a mother and her son. Around 13 or 14. They were trying to sell the poor kid a $8.00 tube of some sort of “Fuel proof putty”, and a tube of that orange testors crap (you guys remember it!!!). I politely told the mother that I use thin CA for most of my modeling needs, and that the Tube of putty they were trying to sell her was useless for their needs. She decided to take the cashier’s advice (some punk, who has no interest in modeling to begin with). I was trying to save her money, and trouble but wasn’t having it.

Tigerman my LHS has more armor paint than you can shake a stick at!!! We should swap shops!! I went in to get a MM paint the other day, and they said they would have to order it!! But I can get any desert color or german color I could ever wish for!!!

Chem Man, you nailed it right on the head!!! Thanks for the hilarious (but sad) observation. I have 3 LHS within 5 miles of my house. They mostly love the RC crowd. And I mostly love the internet shopping because of it!!! LOL

If you are ever in the Detroit Metro area, be sure and visit Old Guard Hobbies. They advertize in FSM so you can find the addresses of their 2 shops there. They carry mostly plastic models, no RC, Trains, Rockets, etc. They keep a very large inventory of Aircraft, Armor, Ships & Autos with a smidgen of Sci-Fi (Polar Light). They have a large stock of reference material, every available Osprey title for example. Of course they also stock paints, fillers, brushes, glues, micromesh & other sanding mediums, AB’s & replacement parts, and on and on. The 2 Owner/Managers are avid modelers in their own right, one mostly armor and one mostly AC and military figure painting. They stock all new releases as soon as the distributor gets them. If they don’t have what you want in stock, they will order it if available. They also buy collections and have a “previously owned” section, where you might find that rare old goodie at a very reasonable price. I could go on, but I feel very fortunate to have one of their shops only about a 10 mile drive away. This is a great example of HOW to run a Hobby Shop. BTW, they have a very large display case that is dedicated completely to showcasing customers models. Dedicated shelves for AC, Armor, Autos & Figures. If you get there, mention my name & they will point out my feeble attempts that are on display [:I].

ChemMan - we have all experienced every situation you described above (plus others) not only in LHS’s but in other stores as well!

ChemMan -
Your whine was actually very well said and made lots of very serious points - Richard is right - if I ever open a hobby shop, you’re most welcome tocome and work as general manager.
But there are sometimes difficulties that hobby shops face that they have no control over - such as problems with distributors/suppliers.
Take Tamiya for example. Fantastic kits, great paint, very fine model tools. What more can you say other than “quality and industry standard”? But their distributor here in Australia are, quite literally, morons. They have absolutely no idea about customer service, are difficult to deal with, and have difficult order requirements. If a LHS runs low on a particular color of paint, they can’t order just a few tins of that color - they have to order huge quantities that they will be forced to store (can you say “dead stock”?).
Or, just to get a particular brand into their store, they’re forced to carry massive quantites of unwanted stock (but it sells really well in America!!) of unpopular subjects. Try to sell a Nascar kit?? There’s probably only 20 actual cars in this country, and you have to subscribe to Foxtel if you wanna watch it.
It must be very difficult to run a hobby shop. Who can predict just what the modeller will want before he knows he wants it?

ChemMan, that was perfect. Can’t argue with a thing you said, or even add to it.
I’ll consider myself lucky that I’ve only met a couple of LHS owners like that.

one of my lhs’s have lots of dead inventory, but classics like Monogram b17’s, AMT xb35’s, Dragon Ju88’s, things people want. however they dont have tamiya paints. They sell LOTS of non-modeling stuff that everyone uses, like future. they have rock-bottom prices: $35 for the trumpeter mig 15, compared to retail 20 USD (the mig’s in canadian dollers). Classics in origional boxing like Revell f4’s, kits from the 60’s-90’s, couple of new kits, and even lower prices on low-selling kits: Hobbycraft Me 109: $9 canadian

too bad its closed on holidays, sundays, and hours are monday to saturday 11-5

I am fortunate in that the LHS that I go to for most things (Hobbies Unlimited), is well stocked and the guy who owns it is knowledable and very helpful.
It is not a big store like some, but Al has been running the store for well over 20 years and has just about everything in stock that I would need…except for MM Acryl which he does not have so I have to go to HobbyTown USA for that. [;)]
I asked him about it and he said his customers mainly use MM enamels or Tamiya acrylics which he does carry.

Mike

Just chiming in with my thoughts, but I had the best experience with a LHS while stationed on Okinawa, this place was small shop outside the camp, but it was literally floor to ceiling and wall to wall plastic! Tamiya and Hasegawa dominated, but you could find a little of everything…air, armor, ships, gundam, autos, motorcycles, figures…I could keep going on and on. Tamiya and Gunze-Sangyo paint lines dominated, no Testors (I had to start over with my paint anyway, movers wouldn’t ship overseas). It was my happy place! No one bothered you, there was a language barrier, but compared to some stores in the US, it was a modeler’s paradise. Now, well, once I’m back home from this “excursion” I’ve got to locate a really good store in the Camp Lejeune/Raliegh/Wilmington NC area to spend my combat pay. There are some small shops in the immediate area, but they suffer from what has already been mentioned in previous posts. The one shop near my hometown has gone almost completely over to trains and RC, and the HobbyTown USA we had closed up a couple years ago. And not to rant on about this, but I don’t know how many internet searches I’ve done for hobby shops and when I make the trip, they’ve either gone out of business or moved! It’s a running joke with my wife, she can find every scrapbook store in existence, but I will bat about 0 for 10 on hobby shops. The internet webstores are nice, but I like to hold a kit in my hands before I buy it. Maybe that’s just me.

Sometimes an otherwise good hobby shop can screw up.

I was at one of the shops here in Edmonton just before Christmas. There was an elderly couple looking for a model kit for their grandson, he was about 9 or 10, been in the hobby about a year and wanted a 1/48 F-18 Hornet, so thats what they came to find.

The shop had three kits that filled the bill, best was Hasegawa’s kit in Canadian Markings, but it was price inhibitive for them (is for me too), second was Monogram’s Blue Angels Hornet, third was a Hornet by AMT.

The clerk was trying to sell them on the AMT kit ( I’ve seen that kit and would only touch it with a hand grenade). Of the two, the Monogram kit would definitely, despite its shortcomings, have been the better option for the kid.

The clerk stepped away for a minute and I convince the couple that the Monogram kit was the better buy. The clerk didn’t seemed bothered by what I had done, I suspect he just didin’t know the out of scale monster that was hiding in the AMT box.

I had a similar experience several years before in a shop that is no more (thankfully). The clerk was trying to sell a crap kit of something to a kid when there was a better one of it on the shelf at a comparable price.

I talked the kid over to the better one, and when the kid was gone, the clerk chewed me out for ruining a sale. I asked him what he meant as he’d made a sale anyway off the kid and he made some sort of remark under his breath about having tried to get rid of the crap kit for three years and he’d have done it (not to mention puting the kid off the hobby) had I not stepped in.

An honest screw up is O.K. The clerks are human and they haven’t built every kit in existence, so they don’t know it all.

On the other hand, when they lie through their teeth at you for the sake of moving merchandise that won’t move on its own merit, they deserve to be shut down.

another of my LHS’s is soooooooo great!!! I was buying the modelcraft 1/32 mosquito (really the revell) and he’s like “pretty easy to put together, tho lacking in details.” so i also bought some strip and sheet styrene, and the dude told me some stuff bout the subtle details, the errors in the kit, #1 in customer service, and the kit was only 20 bucks canadian!