Having a hard time finding the Hipper in 1/700th scale…want to do a waterline dio of Hipper’s engagement w/ Glowwworm…Anyone know of where I can find a Hipper?..I did luck out and find a 1/700 Glowworm at PacificFront Hobbies:
Never have seen or heard of this company…anyone have any experience with it??? It seems a little pricey at $34…
http://www.hp-models.com/index.php?module=pncommerce&func=itemview&ItemID=76
HP Models of Germany makes a Scheer in 1:700.
B-Resina kits, as well as HP Models kits, are generally well done with few it any surface bubbles. The small parts are cast on a wafer from which thge parts must be sanded out of. Neither B-Resina nor HP Models kits come with photoetch.
Thanks, I found a nice Tamiya kit of a “E” class destroyer that is probably much nicer and cheaper…are their MAJOR differences in the two classes??? Here is the “E”:
The E/F classes were a class ahead of the RN G/H classes. E’s were built in the 1932-34 timeframe. G’s were 1935-39.
Basically the E was 20 ft (+/-) longer than a G and was armed with 5-4.7" QF mounts versus the 4 in the G. Otherwise the secondary & torpedo armament was the same (layout may differ - as it often does even within ships of the same class).
E’s displaced about 150 tons more 1495 vs 1350 T.
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In this instance the resin may be nicer, since it is capable of capturing the some of the details such as the gun shields the thinness which are beyond the limits of injection technology
Cool…I ordered a Tamiya Prinz Eugen (Same class as the Hipper) and a PE set to go w/ it…I think I’ll take your advice and spring for the Glowworm, especially since I found out there is an AM PE set you can get for it…
…now if I can only find what paint measures these two were in at the time of their engagement???
the Prinz Eugen is somewhat different from hipper even tho of same class of ships.
Prinz Eugen specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/prinzeugen/tech.html
Admiral Hipper specs link. http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/heavycruiser/admiralhipper/tech.html
That wouldn’t be noticable in a waterline dio would it???
One of the biggest differences between Prinz Eugen and Hipper involves the shape of the bows. Prinz Eugen has a fully curved swan bow like Bismarck, while Hipper’s bow is a simple straight-raked bow (sort of like that seen on a variety of British cruisers). As I recall, Blucher’s bow was a originally a plumb bow (and so was Hippers), but I’m not sure if it was subsequently altered as was Hippers…
Found what might be a great ref for the measures worn by both ships during the famous engagement for my dio, providing the artist had his facts correct:
I dunno, Manstein, paintings are great for giving you the “feel” of an event/place/landscape, but it can only be the artist’s impression of that moment, and every artist is different.
One tiny example, most of the paintings of the Doolittle Raiders taking off from the Hornet show the propellers with yellow tips - which was the USAAF standard at that time. Except that the Raider’s props were all reground/refinished in the Hornet’s machine shops while at sea, and came out of there totally black from hub to prop tip. Any painting made by an artist who did not actually witness the event is going to be based on a series of assumptions, observations and the artist’s own inherent biases. Even a great military artist like Keith Ferris or Tom Freeman admits to an occasional screw up or and “I just thought it looked better this way” moment.
You are right about that–artistical interpretations are notoriously innacurate…one thing that strikes me as unbelievable are the figures in the painting on the Hipper’s bow which seem to be standing like spectators watching a football game…I’m sure with all kinds of ordanance flying from both sides this was not the case…
One thing that I have always wondered about was how the Glowworm turned so sharply and rammed the Hipper on her starboard side when in the pics available the Glowworm is parallel w/ the Hipper when she is only a hundred or so yards away with the Hipper probably closing well over 20 knots…???
Just ordered the B Resina resin Glowworm from Pacific Models along with a Tom’s AM PE set…received the Hipper’s stand-in from them a few days ago: The Tamiya Prinz Eugen…sweet kit…
Gonna be a heck of a dio…I hope. The size of the Hipper is so much bigger when compared to the Glowworm that it seems incredible that the British ship even challenged her…
I’m sure that’s what the crew was thinking too.
SIze comparison; Hipper’s hull alongside the resin casting of Glowworm’s:
Wow David and Goliath! Or was it more like the Alamo !
A little of both, I think…my girlfriend said the painting of the action looked like a whole lot of “stupidity”…what do chicks know?
I suppose they know alot, else why would she be dating you, eh?
Unfortunate set of circumstances all around, but light ships are screening ships and in fact it is a big ?? how fate allowed Glowworm to get within striking distance of a major surface ship. Bad luck for the Kriegsmarine I guess.
Here’s the bow you need:
Cool…is that the correct measure for the time-frame?
Pure Limey guts! What a navy!!
One thing for sure that took courage was the fact that just about any time a ship went down in the North Sea, the chances of surviving were very slim unless you were picked up immeadiatly…when the Scharnhorst sunk the British aircraft carrier “Glorious” almost all of the crew got off okay but died of exposure in the water because the Germans didn’t stick around to pick up survivors and the British were slow to send out rescue craft…I believe over 900 died of exposure…shameful…