Cool story (and true!!)

About that abrams post, where they were wondering just how many M1’s have been KO’d.

I’ve got a cool story about just how strong those abrams actually are! I read it in Tom Clancy’s book Armoured Cav. I’ll try and tell it as best as I can remember, and if the details are way off, punch me.

OK. An abrams in the gulf war (I think…) was driving alond when it got very stuck in I think a sand drift or some mud (or something…). Anyway, the tank couldn’t be pulled out, so they decided to pull ahead and leave the stuck abrams behind with the crew of it guarding it, as they waited for a tow.

As they were waiting, over a hill came three T-55 (or 62) tanks. The abrams picked off the first one, right away, blowing off it’s turret. The other two fired shots at the abrams. One shell hit the abrams directly on the face plate of the turret, and did nothing. The second one hit, amazingly, in the same spot and also did nothing! At this time, the abrams fired another shot, taking out the second tank. The third tank retreated and all that was visible war a large plume of exhaust. The abrams homed in on the smoke and fired another shot. The shot hit the tank, and knocked it out too!!

The story gets even crazier! When the tow vehicles finally came, they still couldn’t pull out the abrams. So they decided to destroy it, leaving it in-operatable to anyone who stumbles across it. They shot at it with another abrams (when the crew was out of course…). Amazingly, the first shell hit the side armour on the turret and did nothing.

The second shot penetrated the side, and sprayed into the ammo stores. The ammunition exploded. Incredibly, the blast was vented off through a special explosion hatch on the top of the turret. (forgive my vagueness[:0]).

Two more tow vehicles came, and they finally pulled the abrams out. With the repairs done to the turret, the tank was appairently still in operation!!!

Pretty… …darn… …sweet…[:0][:0][bow][bow][%-)][wow][wow][yeah]

Doesn’t Clancy write fiction???

He does a bit of both… this book was deffinatley non-fiction. It’s a descriptive book on how the U.S. armoured cav. operates. The book was a little too technical for me through most of it though.

They don’t make amunition anymore like they used to, do they.

Yup, the above story is pretty much true. It was in 11 ACR I believe, battle of 73 Easting on the Hail Mary move into western Iraq. They are great tanks. T55 and T62 tanks are pretty old and obsolete by ODS standards as well though. T-80 is more its match, but still has a hard time penetrating frontal armor on an Abrams.

Clancy has also done quite a few non-fiction books. He did Armored Cav, which is about US Armored Cavalry units throughout history, Submarine, Fighter Wing,a book about USAF fighter pilots, and a couple of others as well. Here is a site with a full list and description of each. http://www.clancyfaq.com/non-fict.htm They are well written and interesting in the Clancy style.

11th ACR sat out Desert Storm. It was the 2nd ACR.

There’s nothing more fun than reading “The Hunt for Red October” or “Red Storm Rising” in russian. If kind of puts a different view on both books.

Rob, part of 11 ACR went. I have friends whe were there with them and my boss, LTC Jim Miller was there with them as a 2LT. 11ACR had the How Bat that had a FAASV blow up in Suadi Arabia waiting to load the ships when the heater was left on and it started on fire. It was fully loaded with ammo and took out almost the whole battery’s worth of equipment.

Here is an excerpt from their Regimental history that talks about the deployment and the How Bat incident.

[quote]
The Regiment was not deployed into the Gulf as a unit. The first deployment of 200 troopers included aircrews, mechanics, truck drivers, physician’s assistants, intelligence analysts and others. The scout platoons of Troop E and Troop K deployed as units. In the brief, but violent ground campaign that routed Saddam Hussein’s Army, one group of Blackhorse scouts, the 1st Platoon of Troop E distinguished themselves. While fighting as part of the 3rd ACR, led by 1st Lt. Tom Johnson and Staff Sergeant Richard Shelton, Troop E moved over 325 Kilometers in less than 60 hours, finishing the war just south of the Iraqi City of Basra. This one platoon captured thirteen enemy prisoners and destroyed thirteen trucks, two command bunkers, and the communications bunker. None of the scouts of Troop E, nor any other Blackhorse trooper, suffered any casualties.

The end of the actual hostilities in the Gulf did not result in a return to normalcy. Far from it, the aftermath of Saddam Hussein’s defeat triggered an uprising of Iraq’s oppressed Kurdish minority. The Iraqi military bloody suppression of the Kurdish uprising sent hundreds of thousands of Kurds fleeing into the mountainous wastes of southeastern Turkey and western Iran. The world watched in horrified wonderment when the United States took the lead in responding to this intolerable situation. American and Allied military units were directed to deliver relief supplies to the refugees.

The morning of 10 April 1991, V Corps directed the Blackhorse to deploy an aviation task force to supervise the relief operations in Turkey. This was no different than the “No-Notice” deployment to join General “Black Jack” Pershing, in 1916 in Mexico. The Regiment responded quickly and deployed for Operation PROVIDE COMFORT. Within 70 hours of receiving first warning orders, Task Force Thunderhorse, under the command of Major John Mainwaring, launched from Fulda and landed in Diyarbakir, on an austere and remote airfield in southeastern Turkey. Fourth Squadron played a leading role in PROVIDE COMFORT. Fourth Squadron was the foundation from which massive allied helicopter fleets emerged: flying hundreds of sorties, delivering supplies, flying Special Forces teams and relief workers in and out of refugee camps, evacuating the sick and wounded, and inserting the Allied forces to protect the Kurds from Iraqi interference.

In orders dated 16 May 1991, as part of the Operation POSITIVE FORCE, the Joint Chiefs of Staff directed the 11th ACR to deploy immediately to Kuwait in order to sustain a presence there.

13 June, only two weeks after the first Blackhorse soldier had arrived in theatre, the Regiment assumed from 1st Brigade, 3d Armored Division the responsibility for defending Kuwait. The Regiment’s new base camp was a sprawling complex surrounded by an eight-foot high wall.

The three line squadrons took turns pulling “Z Cycle”, a designation that included responsibility for security. Manning gates, towers, the Z Squadron kept a platoon-size Quick Reaction Force (QRF) on alert around the clock, seven days a week. The QRF deployed off the compound without notice at least twice daily, a muscle-flexing exercise.

On the morning of 11 July a defective vehicle heater triggered a motor pool fire in the north compound of Blackhorse Base Camp. Despite valiant efforts to extinguish it, the blaze burned out of control and began detonating ammunition stored in and around the Regiment’s vehicle fleet. The resulting shower of shrapnel and unexploded ordnance forced the evacuation of the entire compound and caused extensive damage.

Some fifty Blackhorse troopers suffered injuries that day, a number that would have been far higher had it not been for numerous individual acts of heroism and the Regiment’s disciplined response to the emergency. Miraculously, there were no fatalities.

Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, Commander-in-Chief of the United States Central Command, visited the Regiment. He presented the Soldier’s Medal for Heroism to three Blackhorse soldiers.[/qoute]

Now that I think about it, I think the tank incident was from 24ID, at the battle of 73 Easting. I could still be off, but it did happen.

They arrived after the 100 hour war was over and the cease fire signed. That’s what I meant about “sat out Desert Storm”. I am aware of the how battery incident. I spent the majority of 1992 in Kuwait and we drew the equipment out of Doha. The mess was still there. Blackhorse sent more than the how bat and aviation squadron. They had one ground squadron there as well.

Got ya, Rob. Yea, the How Bat incident was a mess. I actually had the Battery Commander as my S3 in Korea. He had some interresting stories about it. It was actually discovered that it was not a faulty heater that caused it. Actually it was a bad design on the heater switch. The switch is behind the driver at about shoulder level when seated in the hatch. There was no cover designed on the switch, just a toggle switch sticking out of the panel. The driver exited the vehicle wearing his LCE and it caught the switch and turned it on. Didn’t even realize that he had hit it. As a result, a mod was done to add a cover over the switch so it could not be acidentally turned on. Bad way to find out the switch is in a bad place and exposed. At least some good came of it.

You sure dont hear about this stuff in the "news " do you! Anybody else think that the
Abrams is the best tank out there or not and why ?

I never read Armored Cav by Tom Clancy. I’ve seen it around, but never picked it up.

Another one of his books that looks interesting is Into the Storm: A Study in Command.

Having served at NTC from '91-'95, reading excerpts like this (although it was before my time there) makes me feel good about the work that’s done there.


Regarding 73 Easting, some additional references…

The Battle of the 73 Easting
Excellent article.

The Battle of the 73 Easting (South) Left Flank

The M1 wasn’t completely invincible…
GW1: Tuesday, February 26th: Day Three
Two tanks were lost to T-72 fire, one to a missile fired from a BMP and one to a rocket-propelled grenade.

PERSIAN GULF WAR, 1990-1991 Desert Shield/Desert Storm (Bibliography)
Tanks And Armor

Tawakalna Division (Mechanized)


ARMORED WARFARE: Streetfighters Wish List
March 17, 2005: American tank crews have now had two years of using their M-1 tanks in urban areas. They now know that tanks are very useful for streetfighting. While the M-1 has done quite well, the tankers have developed a wish list of upgrades they would like to see.