Completed Hasegawa 1/72 J2M3 Raiden Jack Type 21 Plus Friends

Oh wow Tanker - Builder, I didn’t know that about you in that the Raiden (Jack) is one of your favorite aircrafts. That’s why I love this forum so much, I learn more and more everyday about forum members.

Thank you Tanker - Builder for following my build(s). I highly appreciate this.

Toshi

Very nice progress Toshi. It would appear to me that you have some healthy gaps along the upper wing to fuselage joint you might want to address. My experience is that you can encounter some fit issues with these older Hasegawa kits. On the 1/72 FW 190 F-8 I built a while back I had to some healthy work on the lower fuselage where the wings attached on both the forward and rear areas.

I addressed your question concerning my Tamiya 1/72 Corsair on my my WIP thread if that’s OK.

I can atest to the mind boggling debate concerning Aotake colors/use. Research on my IJN aircraft was certainly filled with debate and speculation. I think it is second only to the debate on correct Luftwaffe colors in opinions.

Thank you for pointing out the gap between the wing and fueselage. At 1:00am in the morning, I didn’t catch that. Some Tamiya Laquer putty should do the trick.

Thank you for addressing my inquiries in regards to your Tamiya 1/72 Corsair build. I will definately be on that thread reading your reply to my questions.

Boy, between the IJN and the RLM Luftwaffe colors, this makes an interesting build as well as a conversation. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule in accommodating my simple questions, I so value our conversations!

Toshi

Just like the debates over Luftwaffe colors, it seems the IJN color debates will lend itself to some “interpretation” and artistic lisence.

To me, that means there is a bit of freedom when working with my builds. :smiley:

These conversations do make for some very interesting reads. Can’t help that I like these types of topics lol.

:slight_smile: waiting to see what comes up next!

I think the key words as you stated are:

  1. Interpretation

  2. Artistic license

This reminds me of the Corsair brought up in one of the Great Lakes. All of a sudden, the section of the Corsairs interior is now salmon pink. I don’t know about how other forum members feel about salmon pink but, green zinc chromate just happens to be the color I choose to utilize. Why? Because most importantly more than anything else, I’m having fun! LOL! I mean no disrespect for those that build for accuracy.

Toshi

Salmon Pink?? That must have been some weird faded Red Oxide of some sort. I’ve never heard of them using that color in a cockpit before.

Makes me think about just how much we really know about such highly documented subjects. ???

The Tamiya 1/32 Corsair kit has this salmon pink color in the tail section of the Corsair. I just call it salmon pink due to the fact it looks like that. It’s suppose to be some kind of anti corrosion product similar to zinc chromate. That’s all I know about it. Let me dig up my Tamiya build sheet.

Toshi

So this is what I have. The cockpit color is:

XF-5 : 2 (Flat Green)

+XF-8 : 1 (Flat Blue)

Which looks to me like a bluish green zinc chromate.

The tail end is:

X-17 : 5 (Pink)

+X-21 : 2 (Flat Base)

+XF-9 : 1 (Hull Red)

So your statement of the red being corroded over time makes sense in that it turned pink.

Toshi

Interesting…

If it were Iron Oxide however, it would turn brown over time. Just as the the iron in our blood does when exposed to oxygen. So it’s obviously not an Iron Oxide coating. So I’m really trying to figure out if they used a red paint or if it was an orange paint of some type. Obviously the red pigment was dominate if it turned pink, but the descriptive word “Salmon” suggests a possibly orange color that faded to pink. Since our aircraft industry was quite fond of using orange paints to draw attention to important things, this doesn’t seem overly out of place. Its just weird that no one had ever heard of it before they dredged up that plane. And why paint an entire tail wheel bay in such a manner?

This is really a curiosity to me.

To all your questions and statements; “I don’t know what to tell you”! I’m sorry. I can only do more research into this strange phenomenon! Maybe there’s some one out there that has an answer? HELP!

Toshi

I wasn’t asking you to explain it to me, Toshi. LOL!

I was just thinking about it, that’s all. lolOLOLOLOL.

I found your conversation regarding salmon pink interior surfaces on the Corsair to be interesting, so I did a bit of looking online. I found this article:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/05/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us_part3.htm

This is an article that appears to be chock full of good information, although I cannot comment on its accuracy.

M.Brindos, this is the article I got the information from. It’s been available for sometime. If you ever come my way, I’ll pick up some of your favorite drinks and we can talk all day and night while I cook for you! [:)]

Toshi

Toshi

If memory serves me correct, I read about that Corsair and was noted in the article that it had a pink/red primer instead of the usual zinc chromate green often seen. This was due to either being a very early Corsair or a surviving one with the unusual original colors still intact (kind of). I’m sure there was corrosion and fading from time and the elements.

I read the link you posted is an excellent one and sounds pretty close to what I remember reading a while back so looks like the birdcage Corsairs had this pinkish or salmon color for internal corrosion protection.

The Jack is coming along great so good work there.

To PlasticJunkie,

I purchased the Tamiya 1/32 Birdcage Corsair when I first started to build. That was one of the first articles I pulled up as I couldn’t understand why the Tamiya assembly sheet was asking me to mix paint up that looked like pink and not green zinc chromate! LOL!

That is a VERY helpful article! It even gave me some insight on how to paint the Revell Dauntless I picked up yesterday.

Thank you for posting that link!

Wow, what an interesting conversation in regards from IJN interior colors as well as one on F4U Corsairs. That’s why this forum is such a great place to be a part of.

Below is how far I’ve gotten with the Raiden build.

Ahh that grasshopper looks great Toshi!

What color green did you use for that?

I have a Hasegawa Zero 1/48 started and a Hasegawa Frank ad Jill in my stash. My only planes.