I recieved an answer on the source of the describtion of the USS Constitution:
I did not yet try to check in “Woodenboat” - but since I know the source of the answer, I trust that it was correct. So: these lines have been written by Mr. Gilkerson and Cmd. Martin.
Therefore the are reliable a lot - I would think. Any comments?
Steve Hawley passed on these photos of the famous “Hull Model”. As stated above, the Peabody Museum is the custodian of the model. The Hull Model was presented to Isaac Hull by the ship’s crew shortly after the War of 1812 and is believed to be the best period reference of Old Ironside’s actual War of 1812 appearance.
I had the chance to take a look at the “Hull model” last summer (2007). Here’s a link to a Forum thread in which we discussed it shortly thereafter: /forums/818812/ShowPost.aspx .
With a few active builds of the USS Constitution in the forum, I thought I’d bump this string up. Credit where credit is due, I believe the Ray Morton essay was first posted by Len Roberto, but this one also includes a long essay by Cmdr Tyrone Martin USN ret that I added. Hope you all find this helpful
Thanks for bringing this thread to our collective attention! This is very informative, and I have placed it in my “Favorites” along with Force9’s build.
Bill, I have only several days to finish my Alabama, but I had to start my Imai/ Monogram USS United States. I also have the Monogram 1/120 Constitution . They are really beautiful kits & much easier than the Revell 1;96 pair. Revell kits are much better detailed, but not better molds.
I wanted something easier to build than the Kearsarge & Alabama. They are really beautiful ship models, but take a lot more time to build. I am going to build both these 1/120 kits out of the box pretty much. I will post pictures of my Alabama on my thread pretty quick & will start a new thread on the 1/120 USS United States in a few days. I have the hull all painted & it turned out nice , really nice. The masking was super & I painted it pretty much like the box art. I Used most all Tamiya acrylic . Yellow & red mix for the main gun band, medium green & blue for the bulwarks & Tamiya copper for the hull. The kit did not come with a a rear " poop ?" deck. I wanted that, so I scratch built it & it did turn out nice. I will do a build thread for it too. I have my old faithful 9" piece of 1x2 for the hul bottom .
How is you Alabama coming? We are all anxious to see it. What colors did you end up with for the hull & bulwarks & deck parts ?
In addition to differences in color, note that USS United States was fit with whopping 42-pounder carronades.* Constitution was fit with 32-pounder carronades.
Below is a link to some interesting information regarding Constitution’s guns. The author describes how the ship’s guns were changed significantly over time and why.
Note that there is a difference between a “carronade” and a “gunade”. A true carronade is fixed to a sliding block (called a “skid” or “skead”) on its carriage with a pintle and block cast onto the bottom of the gun. During the War of 1812, Constitution is reported to have been armed with 24 true carronades made by Henry Foxall at the Columbia Iron Works of Georgetown, Maryland circa 1808.
A gunade is short and stubby like a carronade and has a traversing carriage and rests on a sliding block similar to a carronade. But unlike a true carronade, a gunade rests on its skead with conspicuous trunnions extending outwards from the sides of the gun. A gunade does not have a pintle like a carronade. Not only is the gun different, so must be the shape of the skead that carries it.
Some or all of the fiberglass reproductions on Constitution today may be reproductions of 1840s-era gunades, not true 1808 carronades. Perhaps someone who has visited the ship recently can tell us if the reproductions on Constitution’s spar deck today are of Foxall 1808 carronades or 1840s gunades.
Some plastic kits include 1840s gunades, not true carronades.
Further complicating matters, there is a third type of gun carried at times by Constitution, called a “shifting gunade”. A shifting gunade looks like a long cannon with a cannon’s type of 4-wheeled carriage. Because a shifting gunade is a trunnioned gun on a 4-wheeled carriage, it does not look like a true carronade or true gunade.
It is very easy to confuse the three types of guns.
See also “The History of The American Sailing Navy: The Ships and Their Development” by Howard I. Chapelle, pg. 516